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Cyrone Torbin said:
Mark Cuban is a white owner and I don't think he has a problem with the "hip-hop" culture. This is more of an age/generation issue to me.
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.....Cuban is one of the few younger radical owners as opposed to the majority of middle aged conservative ones that would rather there employees not be covered from head to tail with tattoo's, blast rap music from there electronic devices, wear there caps sideways, have there pants drooping down there butts and frequenting strip clubs at 2 am in the morning! Granted not all NBA players look that way, but enough do to make these owners want to do something about it! And drastically curtailing there income is a way of doing it! Stern has already instituted a dress code for NBA players traveling to and from games. These owners want some decency returned to the league rather the continued low sink of debauchery! Obviously, it's mostly about money, but these other issues play a part, too.
 
InGameStrategy said:
Fixed.
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Good point. There are lots of factors and interested parties that want to see star players in big markets forming super teams, doing big sponsorship deals, attracting haters and tv ratings. But that's my point really. It's not just about BRI. It's not just about salaries or length of contract. A big factor is that half the teams in the league can't attract top players or keep them when they're drafted, and their franchises suffer for it. I think that's really the reason why smaller market teams are willing to hold out for the system changes.
 
JimLes said:
It's not so much about the players whining or small market teams being screwed. It's about the fact that these superstar players, along with the agents who are often their puppet masters, have begun to control aspects of the game that are supposed to be the domain of owners, GMs, and coaches. This is the biggest issue in this lockout and most of the demands by the owners seem designed to directly or indirectly counter this.

See, the scariest thing about last year's Decision was not that Miami put together a superteam, but that LeBron put together a superteam. The owners perhaps don't want to come out and say this outright for fear of further infuriating the players, but this is a major driving force behind their actions. What LeBron and co. did, and Carmelo and Paul are trying to do, isn't good for anyone. It's not good for most teams that their GMs and coaches are being undermined by players who are plotting their own exits, nor is it actually good for teams like the Heat or the Knicks.

Lost in all the hoopla over the Decision was the possibility that it was not exactly what the Heat brass wanted. The addition of Bosh made little sense to many people, and for a good reason. For the money they're paying him, they could have gotten two players who would help them out much more. For 15 million, one can have both Paul Millsap and Raymond Felton in this league. Not saying those players were available to Miami to sign or trade for, but it's an example of talent available at 7-8 million a year. The Heat had no choice though, because the Superfriends offered themselves up as a package. LeBron would have likely not taken his talents to South Beach if the Heat politely passed on Bosh. The Heat had to either take what was offered or deal with the fallout of a situation where they refused Bosh and LeBron. You're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't. This is why Micky Arison has been talking trash on Twitter. If the league institute a hard cap or severely limit loopholes such as the MLE, he's basically screwed. The current Heat team is too flawed to expect them to consistently make the Finals, and if his room to maneuver is cut out from under him, he's going to be stuck with a good but not great team of three superstars in their early 30s who are taking up most of the available salary together.
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I need to rep some people...
 
I would be stunned if NBA players expected to get a comparable pay from overseas teams. From what I've read so far it seems like these guys think there is some sort of intrinsic entitlement to making many millions a year just playing basketball. They probably think if they were offered such money in NBA then this set their value around the world. Rude awakening is expected to happen to some of them I'm afraid.
 
zbone said:
I would be stunned if NBA players expected to get a comparable pay from overseas teams. From what I've read so far it seems like these guys think there is some sort of intrinsic entitlement to making many millions a year just playing basketball. They probably think if they were offered such money in NBA then this set their value around the world. Rude awakening is expected to happen to some of them I'm afraid.
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I think that Deron Williams (taking less than 1/3 his NBA pay) and others have already proven that they are gonna get paid far less overseas, thus setting the price lower for the U.S. (although it has been pointed out the DW plays a somewhat proportional number of games).

So if the players are holding out for more, they could just as easily end up with less from the NBA.

I wonder if they will even be able to negotiate more "respect"; in that department, they could end up with less, too. The agents simply want more ability to move the players around, and I think that the NBA might prefer to just start over.
 
NUMBERICA said:
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(West Baltimore)
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What an appropriate tattoo.

Because his lockout strategy (and that of his union) has been cartoonish.
 
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