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dalamon said:
Look, if you really think that the parity between the soccer world and the NBA is identical, then I dont know what to tell you. Ive just been watching the sport for at least a decade, and its something that most people accept. Only 5 different teams have won the Serie A since 1991. Also, there is a consistent influx of teams due to relegation or promotion, so theres definitely more than 20 teams that technically have a shot at a championship. This isnt just the Serie A, by the way. 5 different Spanish teams have won since 1984. Since its inception in 1992, only 5 different teams have own the english premier league. Only 6 different teams have won the German Bundesliga since 1982. Only 5 dutch teams have won since 1964. Notice the pattern? And heres the thing, there have been several instances where many small market NBA teams have nearly won championships; teams like the Pacers, the Jazz, and so on. If youre a small market team in soccer, your chances of winning it all are unbelievably low.
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Nearly? 5 or 6 teams winning in small domestic leagues vs. 8 in the NBA (which happens to located in the largest economy in the world) does not support the contention that there is more parity in the NBA. Yes, I notice the pattern: Parity in the NBA isn't significantly different than parity in European football leagues.

Do you really think economic size makes no difference?
 
GVC said:
Nearly? 5 or 6 teams winning in small domestic leagues vs. 8 in the NBA (which happens to located in the largest economy in the world) does not support the contention that there is more parity in the NBA. Yes, I notice the pattern: Parity in the NBA isn't significantly different than parity in European football leagues.

Do you really think economic size makes no difference?
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Yes, NEARLY. Whens the last time West-Ham "nearly" won the premiership? Or Aston Vila? Or Newcastle? Or Bolton? Or Tottenham? Or Middlesborough? Or Everton? Or Fulham?

I think you're just missing my point. Do you watch soccer a lot?
 
dalamon said:
Yes, NEARLY. Whens the last time West-Ham "nearly" won the premiership? Or Aston Vila? Or Newcastle? Or Bolton? Or Tottenham? Or Middlesborough? Or Everton? Or Fulham?

I think you're just missing my point. Do you watch soccer a lot?
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I see your point, but again the size of the respective countries matters. You've chosen to ignore this entirely, even when I've asked you directly whether you think that shoul dbe considered. Have a little intellectual integrity.

Also, can't the same be said of Toronto, Memphis, Charlotte, New Orleans, Minnesota, the Clippers, Milwaukee and Washington?
 
GVC said:
I see your point, but again the size of the respective countries matters. You've chosen to ignore this entirely, even when I've asked you directly whether you think that shoul dbe considered. Have a little intellectual integrity.

Also, can't the same be said of Toronto, Memphis, Charlotte, New Orleans, Minnesota, the Clippers, Milwaukee and Washington?
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Im sorry, I must've forgotten to reply to the last half of your post. To me its the size of the audience that matters more than the wealth of the countries itself, but again I never denied that larger economies play a role in parity. Its obvious that it does, but I think I am missing the link as to why poorer nations are expected to have less-competitive teams. Are you hinting that there isnt enough wealth to go around and support all of the teams altogether? My point is simply that teams like the ones Ive rarely even crack the top 10, let alone the top 4. Out of the teams you listed, I can only see Charlotte and Toronto being cemented outside of the playoffs over the next few years (with even Toronto being potentially on the rise,with Bargnani, DeRoazan, Davis, and Valancuinas). The Grizzlies are on the rise; hell, they were a few points away from being a Top 4 team. So are Minnesota and the Clippers. Washington has Wall and McGee, and now Vesely with Singleton. Milwaukee strkes me as an Aston Villa equivalent, but they still have had opportunities in the playoffs. Thats the thing with the NBA; anything can really happen. Every season in soccer, its honestly only ever a competition between the four biggest markets, and its a shame for most fans.

Am I really being intellectually dishonest?
 
Straight from Wikipedia:
A major criticism of the Premier League has been the emergence of the so-called "Big Four" clubs.[72][73] Since Blackburn Rovers lifted the trophy in 1994–95, only three clubs have won the Premier League title – Manchester United (ten of the club's twelve titles), Arsenal and Chelsea (three times each). In addition, Manchester United have not finished outside the top three since the formation of the Premier League. From the 1996–97 season onwards, the "Top Four" (Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and Manchester United) have dominated the top four spots, and thus places in the UEFA Champions League (qualification was one club for the first four seasons, increased to two clubs in 1997, three in 1999 and four since 2002). The benefits of qualification, especially increased revenue, are believed to have widened the gap between the "Top Four" clubs and the rest of the Premier League.[73] As of the end of the 2010–11 season, Manchester United have finished in the top four the most often, having finished in the top four in all 19 Premier League seasons. Arsenal are second with 16 top four finishes, followed by Liverpool with 12 and Chelsea with 11.

In May 2008, then Newcastle United manager Kevin Keegan said the "Big Four"'s dominance threatened the division, saying, "This league is in danger of becoming one of the most boring but great leagues in the world."[74] Following Keegan's comments, Premier League chief executive Richard Scudamore defended the league, saying, "There are a lot of different tussles that go on in the Premier League depending on whether you're at the top, in the middle or at the bottom that make it interesting."[75] The dominance of Chelsea and Manchester United has led some to believe that the "Big Four" has contracted to a "Big Two"; no club other than these two has won the Premier League since 2004 and, as of May 2011, 20 of the last 27 major domestic trophies have gone to either Stamford Bridge or Old Trafford.[71]
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This is what Im referring to with all of my posts.
 
dalamon said:
Im sorry, I must've forgotten to reply to the last half of your post. To me its the size of the audience that matters more than the wealth of the countries itself, but again I never denied that larger economies play a role in parity. Its obvious that it does, but I think I am missing the link as to why poorer nations are expected to have less-competitive teams. Are you hinting that there isnt enough wealth to go around and support all of the teams altogether? My point is simply that teams like the ones Ive rarely even crack the top 10, let alone the top 4. Out of the teams you listed, I can only see Charlotte and Toronto being cemented outside of the playoffs over the next few years (with even Toronto being potentially on the rise,with Bargnani, DeRoazan, Davis, and Valancuinas). The Grizzlies are on the rise; hell, they were a few points away from being a Top 4 team. So are Minnesota and the Clippers. Washington has Wall and McGee, and now Vesely with Singleton. Milwaukee strkes me as an Aston Villa equivalent, but they still have had opportunities in the playoffs. Thats the thing with the NBA; anything can really happen. Every season in soccer, its honestly only ever a competition between the four biggest markets, and its a shame for most fans.
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Fair enough. The point still stands that 5 or 6/20 teams winning over the last 10 or so years in those leagues is roughly equivalent to 8/30 teams winning in the NBA over the same period. Those domestic European leagues don't have the same playoff format as American leagues do, so it's hard to talk about whether teams in European football leagues "have a chance" (as they don't have the opportunity to come up with an upset in the playoffs). It might be interesting (and perhaps more accurate) to compare the number of winners of domestic cups in Europe to NBA champions.
 
There have been 8 winners of the FA Cup (England), 9 winners of the DFB-Pokal (Germany), 10 winners of the Copa Del Rey (Spain) and 10 winners of the Coppa Italia (Italy) since 1991.
 
Someone who's smarter than me should explain...why doesn't the NBA offer an IPO and give both owners and players stock options? BRI aside, they could raise dollars for marketing and expansion on the public markets.
 
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