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So, of course in a financial crunch, Obama will choose to shut down facilities that generate actual income and support themselves. . . the National Parks. . .

https://www.nationalparkstraveler.c...llions-dollars-year-national-park-service5360

A number of other things jumped out from that assessment. One, a lot of "unobligated" dollars have piled up in the agency's coffers; two, half of the income is being spent on repairs and maintenance, and; three, a scant 20 percent is being spent on visitor services, and even less on habitat restoration.
 
So now the fed employees are chasing citizens out of motels, harassing them on the roads, and threatening lawsuits against counties offering to staff the parks during the shutdown to keep the tourist traffic coming. . . . .
 
But obviously the democrats hands are completely clean in all this. Innocent bystanders who would never dream of taking advantage of a bad situation to further their cause or try to make things worse so they can try to make the opposition look worse. They obviously only want what is best for the American people. What are you trying to say babe?
 
But obviously the democrats hands are completely clean in all this. Innocent bystanders who would never dream of taking advantage of a bad situation to further their cause or try to make things worse so they can try to make the opposition look worse. They obviously only want what is best for the American people. What are you trying to say babe?

This is a page out of Saul Alinsky's strategies, and Rahm Emmanuel's "Never Let a Crisis Go to Waste".

Americans complacently excused the idea of the Federal government getting into the Land Management business because we all thought it meant we could go out there and hike and see the scences. . . . and the signs all said it was our land. . . . Your Public Lands. . . . managed by the XYZ district of the BLM. Under Obama it is no longer our land, and if we go out there we can be fined for any number of claimed wrongs, or thrown in jail as trespassers. . . .
 
This is a page out of Saul Alinsky's strategies, and Rahm Emmanuel's "Never Let a Crisis Go to Waste".

Americans complacently excused the idea of the Federal government getting into the Land Management business because we all thought it meant we could go out there and hike and see the scences. . . . and the signs all said it was our land. . . . Your Public Lands. . . . managed by the XYZ district of the BLM. Under Obama it is no longer our land, and if we go out there we can be fined for any number of claimed wrongs, or thrown in jail as trespassers. . . .

The funny thing is this almost hit very close to home for me today. I had a few days off work and just returned today. Where I work is largely unincorporated land, surrounded by BLM lands, actually a partly-protected area due to free-ranging wild horses, which is pretty cool. But they decided that the road we all used (and there are some big names in our complex: Walmart, Petsmart, eBay, etc.) to get to our buildings was actually built on BLM property, so they were going to close it at the freeway and not even let people get off the freeway to come to work. The companies raised a big stink, since the paved road was a cooperative thoroughfare paid for by the companies and developers in the area, and the BLM backed off. But, seriously? Cut a good 2000 people off of their jobs because a paved road goes across some BLM territory, in a place where the BLM never patrols or anything, because of the shutdown? There is not penny 1 spent by the government on our access here, in fact we pay them. Ridiculous.
 
Ecclesiates has one of he most coherent statements of religion in any holy writ from any land. . . . it's conclusion. . . .

"Fear God. . . . .This is the whole duty of man." meaning, I take it, to consider God as the most relevant fact of life, and live in the manner of someone who is devoted to serving Him above all other cares of life. It puts it back to the level of the Ten Commandments, where in the lead-up we are told that God is the only God, and we should hold reverence to Him as our first priority. . . . Even Jesus said essentially the same thing. . .. that the greatest commandment is to love God and serve Him with all our heart, might, mind, and strength. . . . the second being to love other s as ourselves.. . .

While we are palavering about our own concerns in life, it is indeed pretty meaningless. . . . but the God who made us also gave us a high value, a high meaning. . . . provided we believe in it. . . .

Also what was interesting to me coming from a Buddhism background is that this is very similar what the Buddhist teaching is based upon. But instead of saying that all things are "meaningless", the word "emptiness" is used (i.e., because all things are inherently "empty", striving or desires for earthly things ultimately leads to suffering).

I was even more surprised to find that Solomon in fact wrote Ecclesiastes approx. 500 years before Buddha was alive. Considering that some people worshiped Buddha for how profound his findings and realization were, it's curious to me that here is a man who understood the very same core principal of life 500 years prior to when Buddha was alive.

The difference between Solomon and Buddha I think is this. While Solomon says that things of this world are "meaningless" and to look to God the creator of all Universe, the Buddha on the other hand believes in reincarnation and past-lives, and this is the basis for how we should live this life (i.e., do not commit murder as it will have an impact on your next life).

To me this is one of the most obvious bridge there is between the Christian faith and Buddhism.

Thoughts??
 
Also what was interesting to me coming from a Buddhism background is that this is very similar what the Buddhist teaching is based upon. But instead of saying that all things are "meaningless", the word "emptiness" is used (i.e., because all things are inherently "empty", striving or desires for earthly things ultimately leads to suffering).

I was even more surprised to find that Solomon in fact wrote Ecclesiastes approx. 500 years before Buddha was alive. Considering that some people worshiped Buddha for how profound his findings and realization were, it's curious to me that here is a man who understood the very same core principal of life 500 years prior to when Buddha was alive.

The difference between Solomon and Buddha I think is this. While Solomon says that things of this world are "meaningless" and to look to God the creator of all Universe, the Buddha on the other hand believes in reincarnation and past-lives, and this is the basis for how we should live this life (i.e., do not commit murder as it will have an impact on your next life).

To me this is one of the most obvious bridge there is between the Christian faith and Buddhism.

Thoughts??

I don't hold Solomon in high regard.

yah I know I'm just overworking the whole rebel without a cause cliche in my own life, sneering at everything people are pleased to call "knowledge". . . . .

Solomon was the Obama of his day, I think about 700 to 650 BCE. He laid down heavy taxes, built up big armies, and a calvary. . . . hundreds of mounted soldiers, and sent them to every little village in the land to pull down the local altars. . . . Jewish altars with the four "horns" on the corners. . . .in a deliberate attempt to centralize ecclesiasical as well as military dominance in Jerusalem. . . .

He was responsible for the decline of the Jewish religion/state. yah he pumped the bubble, squandered the plunder, and in the end the Israelite stock was dumped. A pump and dump regime.

I think the books attributed to im were written by dozens of ghost writers who invoked or were assigned the task of writing "smart stuff" to show off his greatness. . . .

Buddha, on the other hand, won his place by walking the walk and talking the talk of his teaching. . . .

That said, I sorta think a lot of shepherds sitting up in the night under the Arabian stars must have had some pretty awesome bits of wisdom, and maybe a few nerdy little scholars who knew how to write spent a lot of time hanging out, and listening to the old men.

who knows?

well, maybe if I actually read some of the "authoritative" accounts I'd be ashamed to just pop off ignorantly extrapolating from my own time out in the deserts. . . .
 
I don't hold Solomon in high regard.

yah I know I'm just overworking the whole rebel without a cause cliche in my own life, sneering at everything people are pleased to call "knowledge". . . . .

Solomon was the Obama of his day, I think about 700 to 650 BCE. He laid down heavy taxes, built up big armies, and a calvary. . . . hundreds of mounted soldiers, and sent them to every little village in the land to pull down the local altars. . . . Jewish altars with the four "horns" on the corners. . . .in a deliberate attempt to centralize ecclesiasical as well as military dominance in Jerusalem. . . .

He was responsible for the decline of the Jewish religion/state. yah he pumped the bubble, squandered the plunder, and in the end the Israelite stock was dumped. A pump and dump regime.

I think the books attributed to im were written by dozens of ghost writers who invoked or were assigned the task of writing "smart stuff" to show off his greatness. . . .

Buddha, on the other hand, won his place by walking the walk and talking the talk of his teaching. . . .

That said, I sorta think a lot of shepherds sitting up in the night under the Arabian stars must have had some pretty awesome bits of wisdom, and maybe a few nerdy little scholars who knew how to write spent a lot of time hanging out, and listening to the old men.

who knows?

well, maybe if I actually read some of the "authoritative" accounts I'd be ashamed to just pop off ignorantly extrapolating from my own time out in the deserts. . . .

I don't know whether Solomon himself wrote it or not, but I guess my main point is that what was written was just so similar to Buddha's realization 500 years later. And yet if you go to a Buddhist country, these realizations are held up high, Buddha himself is regarded as "God" by most Buddhists.

I was reading out loud some of Ecclesiastes to my brother tonight (who's a strong Zen Buddhist) and I was actually surprised to find things like:

"Everything is meaningless"

"The eye never has enough of seeing"

"What do people get for all the toil and anxious striving with which they labor under the sun? All their days their work is grief and pain; even at night their minds do not rest. This too is meaningless."

Etc, etc, etc...

A lot of these thoughts could have easily come from what a Zen master would ponder & say to a disciple... however it is curious to me that all these things have been written about 500 years before even Buddha was born.

Note:

One interesting thing I noticed tonight while reading this and discussing this, was how Solomon (or whoever wrote this book) was humble enough to acknowledge the limitation of human and "what existed on earth". He was humble enough to acknowledge that there must be a higher being, one true creator who created the Universe, the Earth and Us.

Buddha on the other hand believes that each of us can "do good" and "meditate" our way towards a better "next life" (through Enlightenment), without any acknowledgement or leaving open the possibility of one true creator God.

That approach is a little arrogant if you ask me..........
 
Most of the individuals I've known who are apologists for Buddha do sorta have a little arrogance lathered on, despite their humble beginnings in their life in India. Strong belief in their knowledge of all types. . . . .

probably me too.

I was sorta wondering how someone who would be wowed by the Queen of Sheba, and oh, say, maybe several hundred wives, could really sit down and think things over. . . .
 
Second Thoughts

Also what was interesting to me coming from a Buddhism background is that this is very similar what the Buddhist teaching is based upon. But instead of saying that all things are "meaningless", the word "emptiness" is used (i.e., because all things are inherently "empty", striving or desires for earthly things ultimately leads to suffering).

I was even more surprised to find that Solomon in fact wrote Ecclesiastes approx. 500 years before Buddha was alive. Considering that some people worshiped Buddha for how profound his findings and realization were, it's curious to me that here is a man who understood the very same core principal of life 500 years prior to when Buddha was alive.

The difference between Solomon and Buddha I think is this. While Solomon says that things of this world are "meaningless" and to look to God the creator of all Universe, the Buddha on the other hand believes in reincarnation and past-lives, and this is the basis for how we should live this life (i.e., do not commit murder as it will have an impact on your next life).

To me this is one of the most obvious bridge there is between the Christian faith and Buddhism.

Thoughts??

I haven't made a systematic study of Buddhism except some casual reading. I found some things worth considering, though. From my "Mormon" framework I would initially consider all human religions to be some kind of degenerate remnant from an original religion taught by Noah. . . something that people have carried from that, revisiting and revising continually across time. But I've found that model unsatisfactory in a number of respects, and have tried to view religion as a human effort building up from. . .. well, say. . . . nothing. . . . a vanity of sorts we have fashioned to suit ourselves. I'm not entirely satisfied with that, either.

I imagine that the folks who lived on the shores of the ancient Lake Bonneville in what is called Utah or the Great Basin today actually had a good life. We know there were camels here, saber-toothed tigers, and woolley mamoths. . . . as well as buffalo, deer, antelope, elk, wolves, several kinds of bears. . . . and fish in the lake. They were boat-building people with trade connections from the Sierra Nevada mountains to the Wasatch. The Bonneville Cutthroat trout has survived in almost every little stream that still runs down from the mountains into the dry valley floors. Not far from where I am, an archaeologist spent a few years screening the sand along an ancient shoreline of the lake, where a nice stream fed into it, and found plenty of cultural remains. Some other crews have studied a number of nearby caves. . . . one very large cave. . .. the size of a church . . . caved in around that time, trapping some horses inside. Yep, horses. Big horses. The scientists didn't want to go out on a limb to explain that, because it is a popular myth that horses were not here until Europeans brought them here.

well, anyway. . . . today I can sit on the same rocks people sat on ten thousand years ago,and I can think the same things. . . . crazy things no horse would think, say. Stuff like "what is the meaning of life?", "what about after death, what will I be?", "what is good?". . . . .

I consider it likely that others have imagined, across human existence. . . .. various answers to those questions. Probably there were people sitting in boats, spearing fish ten thousand years ago, looking at their reflections in the water. . . . . and after roasting some fish on a camp fire at night, some might have tried to explain to their kids what it means to be "good", and why. Some might have asserted that there is a Great Father of mankind who knows what we do, who can't be fooled or lied to, who knows our hearts. . . . and that to be "good" we must hold ourselves accountable to our fathers, all the way back to our Great Father. . . . Or, that there are consequences that are self-consistent with our actions. . . . what we do to others, even to beasts. . . . may be something that could happen to us. . . . and that if we do good to others, it will be better. . . .

There is a limited horizon in our view. We do not have the writings of Moses today, no original. . . in his own handwriting for sure, and what we have may not be absolutely what it started out as being. We have some very old writing from India. . . .We have some carvings on some cave walls. . . . I suspect that when to comes to our beliefs it is likely that humans have had these beliefs as long as we have been here, at least in the beginning forms. It takes having writings from the past, and further thinking. . . .. to build a "tradition" like the Buddhist or Judeo-Christian systems. And sharing across some boundaries. . . . trade routes trod by human feet carrying human hearts and brains. . . .

I'm sure there could have been some sharing, say, from the Book of Ecclesiates, all the way to India. Probably the Queen of Sheba carried some quaint prose from Israel back to Yemen. Probably there were some traders going from there to India, and vice versa. . . . as well as other routes. Anything anybody could be fascinated by as a cosmology of sorts. . . . is something that somebody could carry to another place, and share.

One of my hobbies is trying to date the oldest reference to a particular idea. . . .

well, with Quantum Mechanics it might be a short track. . . .

But with something that is as universal to humanity as floundering in despair. . . .. wondering what our life even means. . . . .well, that's probably something that every human butt sitting on rock. . . . whether on the shores of lake better than fantasy or on a desert strand of sand. .. .. has transmitted to the attached brain when the sun dropped low in the sky, and the man decided to wend his way home to his wife and kids. . . .

A string of fish, or a deer to drag back to camp...... ah, with a prospect that some folks will be glad when he comes back to camp with a nice day's work to show. . . now that is what makes a man think all is right with the world. A little success can stave off bouts of philosophy, but an empty stomach brings back the search for meaning when we know our manhood is open for question back home.
 
90th Birthday Party

My Aunt, not me. . . .

She used to be a gorgeous redhead with a gift of gab. . . . . still has the gift of gab.

I went to her birthday party and gave her a hug.
 
My favorite cousins were all there. . . . .

a doctor, and a lawyer, who both have the gift of gab as well. I shut up and listen.
 
the girls were not dumb bunnies, either. But gorgeous too. I fell in love when I was seven and named my cat after one of them. Not quite on the level of kissing cousins, because. . . . well. . . . just wasn't something I'd do. It would ruin the whole idea of idolatry about how wonderful they are.
 
Proof of Relation

It was the lawyer who took the lead in the general discussion, holding forth on his recent visit to Scotland to check out the family castle. But the doctor sorta cornered me and began talking about quantum physics in the context of his General Theory of Relativity. . . . how from a Mormon perspective Joseph Smith anticipated Quantum Mechanics by almost a century in declaring that "spirit" is matter, only of a sort that is "more fine". Right along with a statement anticipating the law of conservation of matter, before it was firmly established. Pretty good for a home schooled backwoods digger, fence builder, and charismatic storyteller. . . . .
 
The gist of his "General Theory of Relativity" specifies that "consciousness" is a fundamental element of all nature. Mormons might call it "intelligence", other more or less religious folks might equate it with "God", but my doctor cousin explains that we, and everything, have an actual relation with everything else, and cannot be separated from the web of connectedness with the cosmos. . . .
 
He says some early Christians were delving into the subject as well, and earned for themselves the name "Gnostics". . . . people whose faith consisted of a direct, personal connection with the Cosmos, who could "just know everything". They got a bad rap as being mystics, but it strikes me that they shared a link with the sages of some other older religions. . . . like Buddha, for example.
 
He's sent me a copy of his work in progress. . . . a book of, so far, 64 pages. I read twenty already, and told him some of his sentences should be fleshed out a bit. . . . made into whole chapters.
 
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