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[The Midnight]

Another question people often ask me is "How can you be sure that God exists?" and "If he does exist, why would he not make it clear to us that he does in fact exist?"

My answer to them is this:

1. "If you can pause for a minute, and realize the fact that we are alive, living here on this complex and magnificent earth, that is part of a vast and infinite Universe. How else could we be here? Can the 117 elements on a periodic table suddenly decide to make the Universe happen?

In realizing that, is that not enough proof that God exists?"

2. "If we can accept that we already possess the intellectual ability to realize this - then does God really need to come and physically 'tell us' everyday that we're alive, that he in fact exists?"

 

[babe]

Wish you hadn't done that. I know of a much better company. Those other guys may smell good, but you still run the risk of getting unwanted crack exposure.

well, I've done some plumbing myself, from the Head to the Septic Tank. I just can't do everything myself anymore. It would save me some cash to have your guys come from St. George, as long as they are neither on crack, showing crack, don't stink, and don't charge more than $99. Dan McArthur is a good welder, just like his dad. I can get stuff fixed by them sometimes.

But can you imagine how many plumbers the Smell Good Guys have running calls in LA? And it's a good ad on KFI.

 

[Stifle Tower]

well, I've done some plumbing myself, from the Head to the Septic Tank. I just can't do everything myself anymore. It would save me some cash to have your guys come from St. George, as long as they are neither on crack, showing crack, don't stink, and don't charge more than $99. Dan McArthur is a good welder, just like his dad. I can get stuff fixed by them sometimes.

But can you imagine how many plumbers the Smell Good Guys have running calls in LA? And it's a good ad on KFI.

I don't live in St George. I live in So CA..LA area.

 

[babe]

Another question people often ask me is "How can you be sure that God exists?" and "If he does exist, why would he not make it clear to us that he does in fact exist?"

My answer to them is this:

1. "If you can pause for a minute, and realize the fact that we are alive, living here on this complex and magnificent earth, that is part of a vast and infinite Universe. How else could we be here? Can the 117 elements on a periodic table suddenly decide to make the Universe happen?

In realizing that, is that not enough proof that God exists?"

2. "If we can accept that we already possess the intellectual ability to realize this - then does God really need to come and physically 'tell us' everyday that we're alive, that he in fact exists?"

That's a pretty good way of treating the question.

Me, I'd just say how would anyone really know? That's a scientist in me speaking, just admitting that my basis for faith is not gonna get published in the Peer-reviewed science journals like Nature, JAMA, etc. etc. Pretty much owned and operated by atheists, well let's say The Union of Unconcerned Scientists Who Just Don't Hafta Dabble in MetaPhysics.

I listen to Ravi Zacharias sometimes. He's willing to address the heady college crowd on their own level.

But if I'm not trying to answer it scientifically I'd like your way pretty good. I like my little idea about how God doesn't actually compel our belief like some statists might. . . . communists, progressives and such. . . . .He's got a system for managing mankind that can tolerate personal choice and cognition, and I think that's infinitely better than the way the closed-fisted and jackbooted thugs of the whole range of human tyrants go about their business.

Jesus said "seek and ye shall find". there's some hints in the Bible about how a still small voice can call a human heart to attention sometimes. It's good enough for God to let us come to Him on our own terms, I reason. And answer us on His own terms.

 

[babe]

I don't live in St George. I live in So CA..LA area.

my mistake. I was somehow getting the idea that you're part of the STGcrew with PKM or something. . . . maybe it's UGLI who lives in St. George. I am actually from St. George, some family still there. I go to SoCal sometimes. I usually go down I=15 and I-215 to San Diego area.

 

[jazz_fanatic]

This thread isnt just long.... Its deep. its feels like a safe zone on jazz fanz.. i bet if Collins was a jazz fan this is the thread that he would have openly expressed his gayness.. I am not being judgmental i am just saying this thread feels safe.

Btw, and on the topic of girls. I am here to say there is someone out there for everyone. girls need to feel wanted and loved. some just take a little longer to warm up to us guys. they have to feel we are safe befor the allow us into their lives. The girl in high school that I liked i ended up marrying 5 years later. crazy eh? We had gone on dates but never really dated.... when i left on my mission i honestly didnt even know she liked me.. while on my mission i wrote her dad and asked him if i could write his daughter. he said yes and gave me the address. My timing was perfect. she had just had a bad break up with a guy. And for here, To find out that some boy cared about her in texas was enough for her to date me when i got home. there is alot more to my story. but i guess the point i want to make is if you truly like a girl and it feels right pursue her a little bit.. girls love the chase... just not in the stalkerish sort of way.

This post was deep. That was beautiful. Made me tear up a bit. Jk, but close. Not that close. Ok, close.

Repped.

Hey!!! I've only joined recently too! But apparently it's kinda like a place to hang out and chat about stuff .. babe is basically our host .. he's pretty non threatening... so if you have life's problem you need someone's opinion on or some philosophical theory you want some feedback on or even if you wanna talk football.. just bring a topic..

The beauty of it is babe is kinda moderating it so hopefully you won't get as many stupid answers as you might do by starting a new thread in the general forum...

^__^ hope this helps!!

Thank you, my friend. I understand now. Great thread, babe. I will visit more often and may come here the next time I need advice on life and such.

 

[The Midnight]

Thank you, my friend. I understand now. Great thread, babe. I will visit more often and may come here the next time I need advice on life and such.

^__^ you're most welcome!

 

[babe]

So I went looking for some Ravi Zacharias on the issue of atheism. . . . ..


here's a pretty good comment:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51rR4aC9aMg

well, I'm sure some folks would call Zacharias a dimwit and wrong, but I would at least respect the hope for civility and sometimes need to remember it.

 

[babe]

This post was deep. That was beautiful. Made me tear up a bit. Jk, but close. Not that close. Ok, close.

Repped.

Thank you, my friend. I understand now. Great thread, babe. I will visit more often and may come here the next time I need advice on life and such.

Looking forward to some reasonably challenging and beneficial discussions. . . . .

 

[babe]

some more Ravi:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPFi8k5IMK0

 

[The Black Swordsman]

Theism (or more specifcally monotheism) is the recognition that something unexplainable is going to have to be used to explain reality. It can be beyond this universe like m-theory or beyond that. It can also be this universe itself (pantheism). This unexplainable thing is worthy of the title god.

This is my favorite definition of theism and my wording for it. There are a million different definitions for atheism so I made one for theism.

As far as Ravi goes I think you would like John Lennox. He has defeated Dawkins and every other atheist in debate. He also does lectures at schools and such as he is a professor at Oxford.

Here is one of my favorites of humilating Dawkins. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NzFr4lM-lc

 

[UGLI baby]

my mistake. I was somehow getting the idea that you're part of the STGcrew with PKM or something. . . . maybe it's UGLI who lives in St. George. I am actually from St. George, some family still there. I go to SoCal sometimes. I usually go down I=15 and I-215 to San Diego area.

How tha hell you gonna act like you dont know I'm part of the STG crew babe??