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LogGrad98 said:
You aren't quite deep enough into the Dr. Who counter-culture to recognize that they are usually referred to as "Whovians". My daughter went to Reno's version of comicon, SNAFU-con, dressed as a weeping angel and my son went as the tardis. Pretty decent costumes too. Did you go to the limited screening of the 50th anniversary special at a movie theater near you? My daughter and son went in full Dr. Who regalia. It an get a bit extreme.

I watched the first season of the "new" Dr. Who and found it rather meh for my tastes. I am more of a Star Trek/Star Wars/Firefly scifi fan, I guess.
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Firefly was good but it was cut off way too soon. I don't understand why networks don't understand that sci-fis take time to build an audience but when they do they are rabid. I started watching the new Dr. Who on Pbs in the first season,ON PBS, what's it like 8 years later now and it's huge. Give a sci-fi time and it will usually pay off.
 
heyhey said:
Firefly was good but it was cut off way too soon. I don't understand why networks don't understand that sci-fis take time to build an audience but when they do they are rabid. I started watching the new Dr. Who on Pbs in the first season,ON PBS, what's it like 8 years later now and it's huge. Give a sci-fi time and it will usually pay off.
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Sci-Fi will always be a niche phenomenon. . . . no way it can be a true mass culture. When something out of the Sci-Fi genre goes mass, the science is left behind and it becomes more or less pure mysticism. You have to have the science background to follow the subject in it's true. . . pure. . . . form. jmodo.
 
babe said:
Sci-Fi will always be a niche phenomenon. . . . no way it can be a true mass culture. When something out of the Sci-Fi genre goes mass, the science is left behind and it becomes more or less pure mysticism. You have to have the science background to follow the subject in it's true. . . pure. . . . form. jmodo.
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For sure, which is why it takes so long to build an audience. It makes no sense to spend the money for a sci-fi and then give it only 2 seasons. That's all I was saying.
 
My favorite hard(er) sci-fi author is David Brin. He doesn't get deep into the science all the time but a lot of his stuff does presuppose that the reader has some basic understanding of the hard sciences. I am also reading Orson Scott Card's new series in the Ender universe, the First Formic War, about the first alien invasion, and he gets somewhat into the science behind inter-stellar travel in a very interesting way. I was very intrigued by the descriptions of the alien ship and the deceleration process that I frankly hadn't thought about before. I am finding it very enjoyable.
 
heyhey said:
For sure, which is why it takes so long to build an audience. It makes no sense to spend the money for a sci-fi and then give it only 2 seasons. That's all I was saying.
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I agree with this and would love to have seen them make at least a 5 year run. One of the better sci-fi series I have seen to be honest. Strangely I didn't like the movie as much. But in the TV game it is all about immediate return and instant ratings and if it doesn't show solid increases over time they pull the plug way too early.

Another series I liked was "Lie to Me", starring Tim Roth. Worth watching the episodes they have on netflix, even though the plug was simply pulled with no real ending to the series. But it was based loosely on the work of Paul Ekman and the Facial Action Coding System, which uses facial microexpressions to determine when people were lying. They held pretty true to the science of it, from what I understand of it. Some very interesting and entertaining storylines and a pleasingly eccentric main character. But the ratings slipped and they cut it off before its time. Sad.
 
Have you ever read The Foundation trilogy by Asimov? I had a clear picture in my head of what was going on throughout that series. Truly enjoyed it.

I haven't read anything Ender, I'm assuming one would start with Ender's Game.
 
I did read Foundation and enjoyed it.

As far as Ender is concerned, you could actually start with the current series they are working on, as it is Ender's history and won't really give away too much about the original Ender books from what I understand. They have finished 2 of the 3 books planned.

But of course a good starting point would always be Ender's Game. Where you go from there is totally up to you, or even if you want to proceed. It tends to drive strong opinions, in my experience, and you either really like it or really don't. I haven't met many people that found Ender's Game to be just so-so or "meh".
 
babe said:
My children and I are now Whobies. When I come home, and mom goes to bed, the kids come to my room and we watch Dr. Who.

Your mention of "the song?" reminds me of the Ood. Some of the nicest non-people ever imagined by Sci-Fi writers. They have a song of their own.

I think everyone should have a song of their own.
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The outfit:

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The song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-e8LGMPTtE
 
LogGrad98 said:
Another series I liked was "Lie to Me", starring Tim Roth. Worth watching the episodes they have on netflix, even though the plug was simply pulled with no real ending to the series. But it was based loosely on the work of Paul Ekman and the Facial Action Coding System, which uses facial microexpressions to determine when people were lying. They held pretty true to the science of it, from what I understand of it. Some very interesting and entertaining storylines and a pleasingly eccentric main character. But the ratings slipped and they cut it off before its time. Sad.
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PearlWatson said:
The outfit:

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The song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-e8LGMPTtE
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This song, sung this way. . . . . sorta stirs up some old sentiments.

maybe even I wouldn't mind someone like this caring to help out somehow, but if it's a young turk sporting a gov paycheck who's trying to "fix you", it's not Sci-Fi anymore, it's pure horror.

Being able to wear that red bowtie and brown muffler, and have a little superfluous style flapping in the breeze is a statement of the supremacy of humanity over whatever "fix" you're in. . . . as is the kernel concept behind Dr. Who.
 
So here's the kind of "Fix You" that could "ignite my bones":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CKQRraBpxqM
 
babe said:
My children and I are now Whobies. When I come home, and mom goes to bed, the kids come to my room and we watch Dr. Who.

Your mention of "the song?" reminds me of the Ood. Some of the nicest non-people ever imagined by Sci-Fi writers. They have a song of their own.

I think everyone should have a song of their own.
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Separate rooms?
 
LogGrad98 said:
Separate rooms?
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Yes, indeed.

wouldn't have it any other way. Separate houses, as well.

I have a ranch just far enough away to be both wife and mother-in-law proof, most of the time. . . .

we are both very autonomous persons, set in our ways and not about to change anything???? well, she does get mad if I call her house "her" house. I don't have enough stuff there to make throwing it out a good display in a fight designed for public digestion. hence no fights like that. . . .

the kernel truth, if you want to ignore all that. . . is a sleep disturbance pattern. If she is awakened she has a hard time getting back to sleep. I have health problems that have been addressed in the past forty years by sleeping on a thin mat, on the floor, and I am an insomniac in my own right. I cope by doing most of my driving in the middle of the night, and having graveyard-shift jobs when I'm willing to work for others. But for someone who sleeps from five am to ten am most of the time, married to someone who sleeps from nine pm to five am, this works.
 
Well the inappropriate thread is in a class by itself. Riding that fine and dusty line between virginal jazzfanz propriety and real-world grittiness and debauchery.
 
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