Longest Thread Ever

[PearlWatson]

Of course we could exhaust this subject further by talking of the Black Pearl of Pirates of the Caribbean:

and then that leads us to the beautiful mermaid on the show( Gemma Ward from Australia):

 

[LogGrad98]

To answer your question Pearl, I have no ****ing clue why, I just did. And am somewhat regretting it. Things were so peaceful before.

 

[babe]

Of course we could exhaust this subject further by talking of the Black Pearl of Pirates of the Caribbean:

and then that leads us to the beautiful mermaid on the show( Gemma Ward from Australia):

Just a comment here on the things that drive me crazy.


Women.

So how come a mermaid's hair is always dry and nicely curled? And how come the makeup isn't running streaks all over her face???

 

[babe]

Of course we could exhaust this subject further by talking of the Black Pearl of Pirates of the Caribbean:

and then that leads us to the beautiful mermaid on the show( Gemma Ward from Australia):

One thing you do well, Pearl, is pose starkly opposite images in context right next to each other, , , , ,

 

[babe]

That's just creepy. I just read that book.

I think of the name Pearl as more of old lady with curlers in her hair type of name...but Pearl is just a play on the name Earl which is rather rednecky.

I didn't expect 3 separate tangents to the Pearl questions, but that was a nice surprise.

Where did you get this information? Is it just a tidbit rolling around in that big brain of yours?:

And even soldiers in the Hopewell civilization, living in Ohio or thereabouts, got into a sort of one-upsmanship thing about embedding pearls into their helmets, breastplates, and other wartime gear, not too long before the buffalo-hunting Lamanites came in the do a mass genocide party. Mound-diggers were finding stuff like that when Solomon Spaulding was spinning his yarns.​

I learned a little more about black pearls:

What Makes a Black Pearl Black?

Black pearls are formed when that piece of sand gets stuck in the body of a very specific type of oyster, the Tahitian black-lipped Pinctada margaritifera. The interior shell, called the nacre, of most oysters is usually a glossy white or silver but the Tahitian black-lipped oyster features a thick band of black. If the pearl forms near that band, it will suck up that coloring.

Tahitian black-lipped pearls can be darker if they develop closer to the lips, and can also be a silvery gray color if they get wedged in a lighter portion of the oyster. If an oyster that typically produces white pearls has an unusual black coloring in its nacre, it too can create a blackish pearl. This, however, is rare; it occurs in only one in 10,000 pearls.

The price of a black pearl depends on its size, shape, luster, color and surface quality, which is graded on a scale from A to D. A perfectly round, AAA quality, 10 mm-sized Tahitian black pearl goes for $140, according to pearlparadise.com, while a round, AAA, 10 mm white freshwater pearl costs about $15, according to youpearl.com​

I could do at least fifteen replies to this single post. . . . .

 

[babe]

The Heartland Hypothesis

For Pearl. . . . the answer to your question above. . . .

Where did you get this information? Is it just a tidbit rolling around in that big brain of yours?:

And even soldiers in the Hopewell civilization, living in Ohio or thereabouts, got into a sort of one-upsmanship thing about embedding pearls into their helmets, breastplates, and other wartime gear, not too long before the buffalo-hunting Lamanites came in the do a mass genocide party. Mound-diggers were finding stuff like that when Solomon Spaulding was spinning his yarns.

A more important and relevant question might be. . . . where did Joseph Smith or Sidney Rigdon or Solomon Spaulding get that information????

And how did all that get rolled up in the saga of The Book of Mormon????

I got a DVD set. . . .or more accurately, my wife got me a DVD set. . . . put out by FIRM. . . . the Foundation for Indigeous Research on Mormonism. . . . under the scholarship of Rod Meldrum. . . . which does a pretty nice job in tying all this together to support the historicity and chronology of The Book of Mormon.

But don't take his word on it, or mine. Take a vacation this spring and drive back to the region comprised ob Missouri, Iowa, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, and parts of Michigan other states around. . . . after going online to look up archeological museums of the area dealing with the "Mound Builders" or Hopewell Civilization which archaeologists say flourished there between 200 BC and 400 AD.

The museums in Ohio have a lot of artifacts. . . . implements of war like helmets, spears, breastplates and shields. . . . many made of copper. . . . with, in the care of items coming from the later time of that time frame, a lot of pearls embedded in the gear. The Hopewell civilization had trade from the north of Michigan and Wisconsin to the Atlantic, if not the Gulf.

 

[babe]

Ten years ago, the "Christians" who specialize in demonizing all things Mormon were dancing on the grave of Mormonism, with erudite pronouncements about the lack of archaeological evidence supporting the existence of people in America who could reasonably be believed to be the civilization The Book of Mormon describes. . . . . No iron, no cement, no horses. . . . no massive piles of bones or weapons on a scale that could be consistent with the stories in the Book. No DNA links between American Indians and the people of Israel anciently. . . . a lot of stuff like that. . . . . was all made out to "prove" the fiction of Joseph's Smiths tales. . . .

 

[babe]

The critics of Joseph Smith start out by making a lot of his "money digging" work in his very early years. . . . ten to twelve year-old boys, I suppose, who are willing to hire themselves out to dig holes, should never be permitted to live down the shame of their disreputable conduct. . . ., at least not by self-respecting pious Christian folks.

Overlooked is the question of why people in that day and age were hiring people to dig holes. . . . .

 

[babe]

looking for silver in the ground is obviously a proof of the highest calibre against the sobriety of other people. . . . and of their piety. . . .

 

[babe]

Back in those days, a lot of men were digging holes in the ground. . . . in New York of all places.

One such hole was the Erie Canal.

 

[babe]

The stories running through the woods of upstate New York at that time. . . . . workers digging the Erie Canal encountered mass graves ten feet deep in human bones that when exposed to air quickly fell apart into mere powder. . . . In places the forest floor was strewn with spearheads, mauls, and axeheads. . . . the spear shafts, arrow shafts, or even metal gear, left on the surface in that wet region must have quickly gone to soil, but the rock points and weapons didn't. . . .

 

[babe]

Years ago, when studying the subject, I found a New England writer of the seventeenth century holding forth on the similarities of the American Indians with the Bible peoples. . . . who made it his point that therefore the natives must be the lost tribes of Israel. . . .

 

[babe]

So nowadays, with all the stuff that has been amassed in museums and archaelogical publications on the area, it is known that the Hopewell civilization came to it's end in wars where women and children were slaughtered and buried en masse. . . . where the implements of war and the structures of towns present impressive correlations with what is depicted in the Book of Mormon. . . . and these things were being dug up across the region even as the Book of Mormon was presented to the public. . . .

 

[babe]

old storytellers like Solomon Spaulding were weaving narratives to fit the everyday findings fromt he ground beneath the peoples' feet.

 

[babe]

Whatever you might think of the religion. . . . the question about the authenticity of the Book of Mormon can just as well be cast as the natural outcome of commonplace lore of the region in terms of the peoples' firsthand findings interpreted perhaps with a sort of religiosity, as the result of divine providence. . . .

The whole spate of recent anti-Mormon criticisms claiming scientific, DNA, and archaeological anachronisms is falling under a wave of fact that is simply overwhelming. . . .

 

[babe]

And Joseph Smith was certainly no exception to the norm in terms of his digging exploits. People in the region have taken down thousands of mounds looking for artifacts or simply leveling their fields..... and silver items have been a common prize in the enterprise.

 

[Dr. Jones]

As I understand it, though, Joseph had little to no real intentions of finding anything with his diggings. Just good ol' fashioned fraud... taking hard-working farmer's money with the promise his seer's stone would reveal hidden treasure's under the land they'd worked for so long. At least as skme renditions go.

Does that mean he couldn't have been selected by God? Of course not. Look at Saul.

I truly, truly believe, though, that both your accounts of Joseph and the Hopewells (and more blatantly the Hopewells) are far-reaching and wishful twists to an astonishingly extreme measure. I love you and respect you though.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Incidentally, my grandfather and father were archaeologists in the areas of Ohio, KY, and Indiana. I have, alongside them and their teams, dug dozens of earthworks and found fascinating things mostly from the Hopewell and Adena cultures. None of which indicate anything, at all, that suggests an inkling of credibility to a tie to the BoM Lamanites, etc.

I am not a believer in the BoM / Joseph Smith, but in my own personal experience and within my own sphere of empirical knowledge, if I were a believer, I'd look to the south and focus more on the Teotihuacan areas of influence where things line up at least semi-plausibly.

 

[babe]

one of the "rules of engagement" which I actually expect others to live by when dealing with me, if they want my respect, is to ditch the contrived symbolism of pretending to respect either me or my comments. BS is BS. Nothing more or less.

If you have some actual reasons to either respect something I say, or disrespect something I say, or my personal attributes. . . . . you earn respect with me by coming out with it. . . . straight up.

 

[babe]

Incidentally, my grandfather and father were archaeologists in the areas of Ohio, KY, and Indiana. I have, alongside them and their teams, dug dozens of earthworks and found fascinating things mostly from the Hopewell and Adena cultures. None of which indicate anything, at all, that suggests an inkling of credibility to a tie to the BoM Lamanites, etc.

I am not a believer in the BoM / Joseph Smith, but in my own personal experience and within my own sphere of empirical knowledge, if I were a believer, I'd look to the south and focus more on the Teotihuacan areas of influence where things line up at least semi-plausibly.

I will confess I was actually thinking of you and your archaeological interests/profession. . . . when I posted the above. . . . I guess it's sometimes called "trolling" on the 'net. . . .

I laid out the theory as briefly as I could. Now I'm looking for the reasons why it will or will not fly with you. . . .