Looking for genuine discourse re: Donald Sterling/NBA

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Again, I'm not defending Sterling in any way whatsoever - he's a deplorable dreg who I couldn't care less about - but it is rich that Magic Johnson just tweeted celebrating D'Antoni's resignation. The guy who the media blow-hards/mob public who cried, "how can you hate Magic, 'one of the all-time great people' in the league,'" on their way to his defense, reveals a really dark and morally reprehensible side of his character 24 hours after Sterling is banished. You can't make this **** up! I'm no tin foil hat man, but people need to wake up.

I'm confused on why celebrating the resignation of D'Antoni reveals a really dark and morally reprehensible side of his character. Could you explain that further, please?

 

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Isn't it illegal in California to secretly record a phone call?

I found this little gem and thought it showed the hypocrisy quite nicely.

That little gem showed a great deal of ignorance regarding the reality of the reasons for the funerals and jail time among young black men. It's as stupid as the people who thought Buddy Holly was possessed by the devil.

 

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So far, school choice has not yielded better success overall. For every school that improved results, there is another were the results were worse than public schools.



So, you approve of Muslims and atheists using public funds to indoctrinate your kids? Or, is it just Christians?



I bet we have a *very* different picture of which misogynists we need to stop glorifying.



There we agree.

Personaly I think that is part of the correct solution for the education problem. It certainly wont fix it on its own but it will contribute to the solution. But we need true school choice. Where it is not only open to certain people based on certain paramaters. Open it up to all and first come first serve. Then we need to focus on those schools that are performing the worst.

In that vein of discussion I think that the requirements, and as a result the pay, to be a teacher should be dramtically increased. I also think that tenure should be merit based and chosen by a council that includes teachers. That bad teachers, as decided by that same council, should be easier to fire.

 

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This right here is where you do far more damage to your cause than any good you could ever hope to gain.

Your veiled put downs, smug responses, condescending nature and attacks/references to the lack of knowledge of any on the other side close people off to any value your message might have.

If you truly believe in your message, and I have no reason to doubt that you do, then let it stand on its own merits.

There are probably people that truly come around based on clear, rational thought. There are also people who come around based on naked anger, trying to figure out why they are causing it. I'm not going to hide my anger in pursuit of the former, while potentially disregarding the latter.

 

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Personaly I think that is part of the correct solution for the education problem. It certainly wont fix it on its own but it will contribute to the solution. But we need true school choice. Where it is not only open to certain people based on certain paramaters. Open it up to all and first come first serve. Then we need to focus on those schools that are performing the worst.

I would be much more inclined to a school choice plan where a school had to accept every applicant (with admissions possibly based on a lottery).

In that vein of discussion I think that the requirements, and as a result the pay, to be a teacher should be dramtically increased. I also think that tenure should be merit based and chosen by a council that includes teachers. That bad teachers, as decided by that same council, should be easier to fire.

As long as it is in the hands of fellow teachers, that could probably be done is a reasonable way.

 

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There are probably people that truly come around based on clear, rational thought. There are also people who come around based on naked anger, trying to figure out why they are causing it. I'm not going to hide my anger in pursuit of the former, while potentially disregarding the latter.

OK fair enough. But I believe in the saying that you catch more flies with honey than vinegar. Your approach is offputting and I truly believe it does more harm than good.

Also if you are truly angry about this then perhaps a Jazz message board is not the best use of your time in this cause of yours.

 

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Also if you are truly angry about this then perhaps a Jazz message board is not the best use of your time in this cause of yours.

Maybe not. But who would take my place here? GVC and franklin just aren't angry enough.

 

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I would be much more inclined to a school choice plan where a school had to accept every applicant (with admissions possibly based on a lottery).



As long as it is in the hands of fellow teachers, that could probably be done is a reasonable way.

A lottery would work. As for the "had to accept everybody", that is where I was going with "first come first serve".

As for it being in the hands of fellow teachers. I think teachers should be involved but not only teachers. There should also be administrators(local level), PTA and school board members.

 

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Maybe not. But who would take my place here? GVC and franklin just aren't angry enough.

You are missing the point. Possibly due to my phrasing.

No one needs to take that role of "angry race poster". It is my eyes a damaging, useless role.

 

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A lottery would work. As for the "had to accept everybody", that is where I was going with "first come first serve".

As for it being in the hands of fellow teachers. I think teachers should be involved but not only teachers. There should also be administrators(local level), PTA and school board members.

When it comes to setting standards, I agree with broader involvement. However, the entire reason teacher's unions exist is because, historically, teachers have felt that administrators, school board members, etc. were making decisions too arbitrarily and for the wrong reasons. If you want the disciplinary council to be respected by teachers, it will need to be controlled by teachers.

 

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You are missing the point. Possibly due to my phrasing.

No one needs to take that role of "angry race poster". It is my eyes a damaging, useless role.

I understand that you think it is a damaging, useless role. I disagree.

 

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