Looking for genuine discourse re: Donald Sterling/NBA

[sirkickyass]

Why that will color their p.o.v. does it make it any less debatable? Does it mean it isn't an issue?

Lets just say that it was a perspective dripping in commentary on another culture of which the writer is not a member. If you look it up it appears the person is also very very conservative (shocker!). Bald assertions that people who produce black-culture-affiliated music are more harmful than David Sterling and are responsible for high mortality and imprisonment rates among african amercians are dripping in non-productive and irrelevant discourse. If anyone really thinks the release of The Chronic and Doggystyle is the reason for high incarceration rates among black men then they are dangerously ill-informed.

Given that he's going after a quote that's significantly more related to misogyny than racism and tenuously trying to hook it in, I think it's pretty clear that this is an axe that he's grinding, and one from a very non-minority perspective

 

[DutchJazzer]

Personaly I think that is part of the correct solution for the education problem. It certainly wont fix it on its own but it will contribute to the solution. But we need true school choice. Where it is not only open to certain people based on certain paramaters. Open it up to all and first come first serve. Then we need to focus on those schools that are performing the worst.

In that vein of discussion I think that the requirements, and as a result the pay, to be a teacher should be dramtically increased. I also think that tenure should be merit based and chosen by a council that includes teachers. That bad teachers, as decided by that same council, should be easier to fire.

i think teachers should earn more then doctors. because they are more important to society

 

[Stoked]

Lets just say that it was a perspective dripping in commentary on another culture of which the writer is not a member. If you look it up it appears the person is also very very conservative (shocker!). Bald assertions that people who produce black-culture-affiliated music are more harmful than David Sterling and are responsible for high mortality and imprisonment rates among african amercians are dripping in non-productive and irrelevant discourse. If anyone really thinks the release of The Chronic and Doggystyle is the reason for high incarceration rates among black men then they are dangerously ill-informed.

Given that he's going after a quote that's significantly more related to misogyny than racism and tenuously trying to hook it in, I think it's pretty clear that this is an axe that he's grinding, and one from a very non-minority perspective

Is it "the reason"? No. But there is a popular romanticising, if you will, of the gangster lifestlye amoung the entertainment industry that is directed at black Americans. Of course that has an effect. Especially when, at least from what I see, it is over whelming in abundance.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Unless you have a very very broad definition of "comparable" here I don't think you'll find many board members that agree that this level of private dehumanization is commonly accepted in their private lives.

comparable as in i sai some homophbic things.

i also come from a multicultural country, and ofcourse sometimes people of race/group a said/says something in anger. lie yeah what you expect they beolng to that race/religion. or like you can be friends hang out with them, but watch out they might backstab you its in their nature. or dont oucnt on them etc.

mostly people say the wrong stuff when in anger.
sometimes to protect their children.

so "comparable" yes.
but do you think homophobia is comparable to racism(discrimination against culture/religion). thats why i said comparable. because in all honesty i have not listened to a single word of sterlings convo and never will. i grant the man his privacy

 

[sirkickyass]

Is it "the reason"? No. But there is a popular romanticising, if you will, of the gangster lifestlye amoung the entertainment industry that is directed at black Americans. Of course that has an effect. Especially when, at least from what I see, it is over whelming in abundance.

The entire point of bringing up hip-hop in this context is to create some equivalence between Sterling's very real sentiments in which he expresses ownership and superiority over people to hip-hop songs.

Lets be clear here. Hip-hop, and especially hip-hop that could be characterized as "thug promotion" is, by and large, a cartoon. And intentionally so. The same guy who used to rap about how authentically "thug" he was that his (probably) most famous song was called "**** the Police" and could be heard claiming that his songs were "not about a salary, it's all about reality" has evolved into this guy:

He's family friendly; he does Coors commercials. He's practically a teddy bear. That is the face of N.W.A., and I'm sure you don't have to look up what that particular acronym stood for. At the end of the day, there's very little difference between the described hip-hop performance that supposedly contributes to negative african american culture and Johnny Cash constantly appearing as an outlaw while never serving a day of time. Somehow I don't think Johnny Cash had any real effect on criminality in the culture.

Bottom line: There is no equivalence between hip-hop in general and Donald Sterling specifically. Attempts to draw the parallel are beyond ignorant and apologetic for Sterling's racism by nature.

 

[Stoked]

The entire point of bringing up hip-hop in this context is to create some equivalence between Sterling's very real sentiments in which he expresses ownership and superiority over people to hip-hop songs.

Lets be clear here. Hip-hop, and especially hip-hop that could be characterized as "thug promotion" is, by and large, a cartoon. And intentionally so. The same guy who used to rap about how authentically "thug" he was that his (probably) most famous song was called "**** the Police" and could be heard claiming that his songs were "not about a salary, it's all about reality" has evolved into this guy:

He's family friendly; he does Coors commercials. He's practically a teddy bear. That is the face of N.W.A., and I'm sure you don't have to look up what that particular acronym stood for. At the end of the day, there's very little difference between the described hip-hop performance that supposedly contributes to negative african american culture and Johnny Cash constantly appearing as an outlaw while never serving a day of time. Somehow I don't think Johnny Cash had any real effect on criminality in the culture.

Bottom line: There is no equivalence between hip-hop in general and Donald Sterling specifically. Attempts to draw the parallel are beyond ignorant and apologetic for Sterling's racism by nature.

Good for him. He moved on. But using one man as an example is hardly overwhelming. Will Smith could be another example or Denzel Washington. They are out there but go listen to the grassroots rap and hip hop music that is out there and tell me what you hear. I'm not saying it is the reason for all of it but it certainly does not help.

I am not agruing why it was brought up. Just commenting on it now that the subject is here.

 

[DutchJazzer]

I still think ice cube stands behind f the police.

just he makes family movies for MONEY!

 

[DutchJazzer]

also another example from way before ice cube


is ICE T.

he made songs like pimpin aint ,
easy he is married to a porn star.

yet plays a svu detective for 14 years on law and order svu

 

[GVC]

also another example from way before ice cube


is ICE T.

he made songs like pimpin aint ,
easy he is married to a porn star.

yet plays a svu detective for 14 years on law and order svu

and?

The NBA took action against Donald Sterling. SVU decided to hire Ice T. These are unrelated decisions by different entities.

 

[DutchJazzer]

and?

The NBA took action against Donald Sterling. SVU decided to hire Ice T. These are unrelated decisions by different entities.

it was a reaction on the ice cube post ,.
not on the sterling thingy.
this thread is veering a bit away from sterling

 

[framer]

Don't like the idea of uniforms. The kids should have some leeway for expression
Homework is fine.
Like that the bad teachers wash out and that they are expanding the # of schools
I see the point of requiring the parents to drive them but that is not always possible.

As for your lottery comments. That consigns a section of kids to a poorer education already. Even by buyilding a school in a poor area some of the requirements will automatically exclude some of the kids. Such as bringing the kids to school and the cost of uniforms. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. A lottery at least mixes it up.

The uniforms are pretty variable, it just has to be a red white or blue knit shirt with blue jeans or khakis. Reasonable length shorts or skirts are OK too. The uniform requirement has actually saved me money in buying school clothes, which was probably some of the point. They do have dress down days a couple of times a month.

The workload is such that they want you to be at least a grade ahead on your learning level. If you are in 3rd grade they want you at a 4th grade level at the end of the year. If you are behind, the entire school is all being instructed on the same subject at the same time so a student can step down for a bit if the challenge is too great until they get a handle on what they are doing. Spanish is going to be mandatory, and they teach phonics and handwriting with poetry memorization readings once a quarter.

The thing is that almost none of this could happen at the public school level because of the pushback it would receive. That's fine but parents with a different vision have a chance to do something different. Ultimately, if we are going to compete as a nation, reforms have to happen, and they will happen faster at the charter level. Faster is better when it comes to upgrading educational opportunities for children.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Again, I'm not defending Sterling in any way whatsoever - he's a deplorable dreg who I couldn't care less about - but it is rich that Magic Johnson just tweeted celebrating D'Antoni's resignation. The guy who the media blow-hards/mob public who cried, "how can you hate Magic, 'one of the all-time great people' in the league,'" on their way to his defense, reveals a really dark and morally reprehensible side of his character 24 hours after Sterling is banished. You can't make this **** up! I'm no tin foil hat man, but people need to wake up.

Maybe Johnson needs to apologize to all Italians.