TheSilencer1313
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I'm down with Jeff Green and two lottery picks...... nothing less, and probably filler as well.
Hayward is being praised around the league and has garnered a lot of attention.
Hardball must be played here.
Lots of trade rumors popping up about Hayward to boston?
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I'm down with Jeff Green and two lottery picks...... nothing less, and probably filler as well.
Hayward is being praised around the league and has garnered a lot of attention.
Hardball must be played here.
Beantown
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"Lots" of trade rumors? All you have is a dumb Bill Simmons tweet from days ago.
candrew
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I'm not really talking about right or wrong or money - I am talking about how a franchise is perceived when they keep pawning off their best players without net improvement. If you were an NBA player would you sign a 4 year deal with this organization? If you were a coach would you join their staff? If you were not a diehard fan would you spend your money to come and see them play?
Thee Jazz Fan
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As one of the biggest Hayward homers, and thanks to the fact we have Burks, I wouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger on this as long as one of the picks is the Boston pick, but doubt they do that.
love the attitude.
Who cares about the casual Jazz fan!!!
As a fanatical Jazz fan I have no problem trading anyone if it gets us closer to a championship. Hayward had a chance to re-sign with the Jazz but he chose to take a chance in FA, therefore I have no loyalty towards him (he has a right to be a FA). The Jazz have to do what is best for the franchise, so if they don't think Hayward will re-sign at a reasonable rate then they need to trade him. I hope Gordon remains a Jazz player but it has to be at the right price. So no matter if you are a casual or fanatical fan what this says to me is that the Jazz organization is trying to make the team better and not doing stupid things like overpaying for replaceable players (i.e. AK, Ostertag).
Getting rid of DW has been great for the Jazz, DW has struggled with injuries and the Jazz got Favors, Kanter, GS pick, and 2nd round pick netted Neto. Losing him also made the team worse so the Jazz were able to get Burks and Burke. Two guys who would not be on the team if we patched the team to just make the playoffs. How would the causal fan reacted if the Jazz let DW go for nothing?
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It's hard to sign with, coach for, or otherwise join an organization that signs bad contracts.
I understand your point, but I'm seriously worried about having Hayward around for $12mil. On some level, it doesn't matter if the fans understand or not. Cash strapped is cash strapped.
jimmy eat jazz
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What trade rumors? All we have is Bill Simmons pulling one out of his backside and suddenly this is a story? This is nothing more than an example of lazy reporting/analysis or rank speculation that substitutes for actual reporting that talking heads do all the time. Stevens coached Hayward in college, so of course Boston wants him, right? Jabari Parker is Mormon, so of course he wants to play for the Jazz. Of course, the Jazz also want to draft him.
Oh pulease!
Oh pulease!
This is just a bit of BIll Simmons BS. He is starting to love his own voice. The NBA doesn't work that way. Good Teams don't sign players because they have a relationship with a coach. Does it influence their choice? Yea but it isn't the overriding factor in signing players. Besides Gordon is going to go where the money is or where the best fit is.
I personally think the Jazz need to evaluate if Gordon wants to be in a Jazz uniform. I hope they don't get caught in a Portland situation like Wes Matthews where a team includes poison pill and the Jazz can't match it due to financial reasons. I 'd rather the Jazz get a good player and a first round pick than pay Gordon 12-13 million.
I personally think the Jazz need to evaluate if Gordon wants to be in a Jazz uniform. I hope they don't get caught in a Portland situation like Wes Matthews where a team includes poison pill and the Jazz can't match it due to financial reasons. I 'd rather the Jazz get a good player and a first round pick than pay Gordon 12-13 million.
candrew
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Who cares about the casual Jazz fan!!!
Please explain how any deal under the sun with Boston for Hayward would get us closer to a championship? Bearing in mind Boston will never give up their own pick unprotected for an RFA.
I love how Gordon Foolsgold's 5 assists come at the expense of a ****load of long 2's on inefficient shooting and roller coaster scoring.
17/5 can be had in Green, but whoever is saying take him can eat rocks. Green doesn't hurt the tank.
ijazz
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Who cares about the casual Jazz fan!!!
I hope Gordon remains a Jazz player but it has to be at the right price. So no matter if you are a casual or fanatical fan what this says to me is that the Jazz organization is trying to make the team better and not doing stupid things like overpaying for replaceable players (i.e. AK, Ostertag).
Getting rid of DW has been great for the Jazz, DW has struggled with injuries and the Jazz got Favors, Kanter, GS pick, and 2nd round pick netted Neto. Losing him also made the team worse so the Jazz were able to get Burks and Burke. Two guys who would not be on the team if we patched the team to just make the playoffs. How would the causal fan reacted if the Jazz let DW go for nothing?
Keep in mind with Hayward that he has publicly stated he loves Utah and wants to stay.
Utah (be it right or wrong), has trouble attracting FA's. I think Utah would be foolish to trade him / let him go unmatched.
I think he is worth 10-11/year. HOWEVER, I think Jazz will be forced to match 12-13/year. Jazz need to decide now if they will pay that.
If no, trade him.
If yes, don't worry about it.
Business is business.