Lyles is the pick at 12

[fishonjazz]

Read the posrep I just sent u

Should have been a neg

 

[Dr. Jones]

Should have been a neg

<3

 

[fishonjazz]

so are you butthurt? Tell the truth.

Negged

 

[GVC]

I like the fact that he is very good at baseline shots because, if I recall correctly, that was the area that Favors was worse in.

Even better, he's most effective from the right side, allowing Favors and Gobert to work the left block and high screen/roll, where they're more comfortable. Tough for the weakside big to help when Lyles knocks down 55% of his jumpers from the right short corner.

Jazz is countering small ball... All the way.

A PG
A C
And 3 6'9 guys that are playemakers/shooters.. That's what they're looking for.

Which is why the Jazz don't really need to sign another rotation 5 (/big). You can stagger the minutes of Gobert and Favors, playing them together for roughly the first 6 minutes of each half and potentially the last 4 minutes of the 4th, and play Booker/Lyles/Hayward at the 4 the rest of the time (32-36 minutes).

 

[Stifle Tower]

I like the fact that he is very good at baseline shots because, if I recall correctly, that was the area that Favors was worse in.

The only problem is many were saying he was a poor outside shooter because he was playing out of position as a SF. Yes, take away those shots from above the arc to the right. But his cold zones extend to the PF corner-3 and FT-line extended on that side.

He and Quin have a lot of work to do before he becomes a factor for the Jazz!

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Does anyone have a sense of whether it's easier for a defender to cover a shooter 20-feet out on the baseline vs. all the way to the 3-pt. line in the corner?

I wonder if the Jazz swing the ball around the 3-pt line and hit a shooter on the baseline, if it's easier or more difficult to guard if the shooter is spotting up for 3 or if he's spotting up from 20-feet.

If the Jazz put a PF like Lyles out on the 3-pt line, on the one hand it creates more space for defenders to cover, but at the same time, it would take Lyles out of the play and makes him less effective as a passer and driver. In Lyles' case, since he's a triple-threat player, I'm almost wondering if it's actually better that he's 18 - 20 feet out instead of all the way out to the 3-pt line. A defender still needs to drop down to cover him, but Lyles can do more damage from 20-feet---shoot, pass to a cutter, drive the baseline, handle a bit to draw a defender, etc.

It's also worth taking a look at how the Clippers were using Blake Griffin during the playoffs. Blake was getting open looks from 18 - 20 feet anytime he wanted them.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Just noticed that Lyles is taller and longer than Blake Griffin.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The only problem is many were saying he was a poor outside shooter because he was playing out of position as a SF. Yes, take away those shots from above the arc to the right. But his cold zones extend to the PF corner-3 and FT-line extended on that side.

He and Quin have a lot of work to do before he becomes a factor for the Jazz!

That makes sense.

PF's are worse at closing out on 3pt shooters compared to SF.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Does anyone have a sense of whether it's easier for a defender to cover a shooter 20-feet out on the baseline vs. all the way to the 3-pt. line in the corner?

I wonder if the Jazz swing the ball around the 3-pt line and hit a shooter on the baseline, if it's easier or more difficult to guard if the shooter is spotting up for 3 or if he's spotting up from 20-feet.

If the Jazz put a PF like Lyles out on the 3-pt line, on the one hand it creates more space for defenders to cover, but at the same time, it would take Lyles out of the play and makes him less effective as a passer and driver. In Lyles' case, since he's a triple-threat player, I'm almost wondering if it's actually better that he's 18 - 20 feet out instead of all the way out to the 3-pt line. A defender still needs to drop down to cover him, but Lyles can do more damage from 20-feet---shoot, pass to a cutter, drive the baseline, handle a bit to draw a defender, etc.

It's also worth taking a look at how the Clippers were using Blake Griffin during the playoffs. Blake was getting open looks from 18 - 20 feet anytime he wanted them.

Umm, of course it's harder to guard at the 3pt line corner.

Not sure how him being at the 3pt line takes him out of the play.

Defender closing out harder to the 3pt line = more opportunity for driving and making a play. Or it means the defense has to rotate more which opens up more passing lanes.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Just noticed that Lyles is taller and longer than Blake Griffin.

That's not rare.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Umm, of course it's harder to guard at the 3pt line corner.

Not sure how him being at the 3pt line takes him out of the play.

Defender closing out harder to the 3pt line = more opportunity for driving and making a play. Or it means the defense has to rotate more which opens up more passing lanes.

Not to mention 3>2 and long 2s are the worst shot in basketball as everyone should know by now.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The easiest play to envision Lyles is is having a high PNR with a ball-handler with Favors/Gobert. Then Lyles slides out of the post to the corner 3. The handler hits the roll man around the top of the key, he can either pass out to the corner or drive it all the way to the rim, depending on how much Lyles man is digging down. Lyles should be able to extend his range to the corner 3 at some point in his career given the fact that he is such an efficient baseline shooter.