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Marijuana: Facts, Myths, and plain old Stupidity.

colton said:
Clearly I do feel that there have been occasions where civil disobedience has been called for.
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I'm interested in you detailing what the necessary conditions are for someone to be justified in challenging existing laws with civil disobedience.
 
GVC said:
Except driving without a seat belt isn't a felony.
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Actually, where I live, the marijuana laws are pretty lenient, but I understand your point. Montana has medical marijuana, and up until recently, they weren't prosecuting cases of less than 2 ounces in Missoula(for those without a card). This was a law voted on by the locals, and was not the case in the rest of the state. Our wonderful lawmakers decided to overturn this just a few weeks ago, saying that the law had to be consistent throughout the state. I mean who cares if a majority of the people voted to make marijuana a low priority for law enforcement? Our lawmakers always know best, so we should just trust them and fall in line.

The lawmakers also made it more difficult for people to get a medical card as well. The people of Missoula have already collected enough signatures to put it back on the ballot next year to reject the repeal of the law, LOL. Missoula is a perfect example of a place where the lawmakers care more about their own opinions than they do about actually representing the people.
 
freakazoid said:
Actually, where I live, the marijuana laws are pretty lenient, but I understand your point. Montana has medical marijuana, and up until recently, they weren't prosecuting cases of less than 2 ounces in Missoula(for those without a card). This was a law voted on by the locals, and was not the case in the rest of the state. Our wonderful lawmakers decided to overturn this just a few weeks ago, saying that the law had to be consistent throughout the state. I mean who cares if a majority of the people voted to make marijuana a low priority for law enforcement? Our lawmakers always know best, so we should just trust them and fall in line.

The lawmakers also made it more difficult for people to get a medical card as well. The people of Missoula have already collected enough signatures to put it back on the ballot next year to reject the repeal of the law, LOL. Missoula is a perfect example of a place where the lawmakers care more about their own opinions than they do about actually representing the people.
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Jason Christ's name ring a bell ? (Not the REAL Coach but from Montana?)

This guy has called me no less than 6 times in the past 3 years looking for Physicians to help him with his business. At first he said what it was for but just last week he called and said he has a telemedicine business now. When I let him know our company won't provide services for Physicians that deal with Maryjane he said its a medicine, ect.

The guy is shady and gives Medical Maryjane a bad name. If you are interested just google his name and see what comes up....
 
Oh and by the way Freak.. if you live in Montana outside of maybe Kalispell & Missoula I feel bad for you.

I will say this.. Glacier National Forest is 10 times better than Yellowstone for anyone that wants a nice vacation next summer.
 
GVC said:
I think any pot head can tell you that after smoking weed their cravings are for funyons, pizza, gummy bears and the like, and not at all for meth.

And, like you said, statistically, very few cannabis users "graduate" to amphetamines, opiates or other drugs of abuse.
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Absolutely. Here are the total stats for what I would call the Big 3 of hard drugs (cocaine, heroin, and hallucinogenics) and for pot users. NIDA doesn't list a category for meth, but includes it under a category called "psychotherapetuics," which includes all prescription drugs, but I'll include that as well.

https://oas.samhsa.gov/NSDUH/2k10NSDUH/2k10Results.htm#Ch2

Past month users (2010 data)

Cannabis: 17.4 million
Psychotherapeutics: 7.0 million
Cocaine: 1.5 million
Hallucinogenics: 1.2 million
Heroin: 200 K

So past month coke users represent 8.5% of monthly pot users. Past month acid/mushroom users represent 7% of monthly pot users. Past month heroin users represent 1% of monthly pot users. Past month "psychtherapetuic" drug users represent 40% of monthly pot users. And combined all other monthly illicit drug users represent 57% of monthly pot users. However, the vast majority of that use is from prescription drugs and not street drugs (though meth is mixed in with the scrpit drugs even though it's really a street drug...I can't help the dumb way NIDA decides to classify things). Regardless, with the popular street drugs less than 10% of users for all of them go to the number of monthly pot smokers. If pot were some sort of gateway drug I would think the number would be significantly greater.
 
I know there isn't 'data' or 'proof' that its a gateway but think about it...

As a teenager what do you start with?
Cigs, Alcohol, Weed

Not in any order but that is the majority of what Teenagers/Highschoolers use right..

Well after using all that you graduate to harder drugs or at least try them.



I've pretty much done every drug in the book outside of Heroine. Not proud of it by anymeans and completely clean now including Alcohol.

I started drinking and smoking ciggys in Jr. High. Graduated to Weed in High School and by the time I was 21 I had experiemented with Pain Pills (Had a surgery and got addicted), Shrooms, Meth, Coke, ect. Cocaine by far was my 'favorite' because as I progressed with work it was something I could simply do and be normal (Or so I thought). Could lay out a line or 2 at work and get by talking to clients, bosses, ect. Again, not proud of it but did it many. Weed was always part of it as I smoked when I got home but it eventually turned into being high was being normal. I felt funny if I wasn't high.

I seen the response of caffene is a gateway drug... absoultely... its something that is addicting. Even today I drink about 4 cokes a day... if I don't have my cokes I get headaches and on edge.

The problem is the word 'gateway'. There are too many 'gateways' to everything to say Weed or Alcohol is the 'gateway'. It could be social pressures, peer pressure, ect.

I guess my point is that doing a simple poll of pot users isn't going to give you a clear answer.

I feel it is a gateway to at least try other drugs.. my opinion through experience.

I also feel it is addictive... my opinion.
 
I smoked weed first in 8th grade, but didn't start smoking regularly until junior year of HS. Drank first in 10th grade, didn't start drinking regularly until college. Never regularly smoked Cigs, but I think the first time I tried one was senior year of HS. I only started smoking pot so much because at work at the end of the night it was just me and two other dudes closing up. We would always smoke a joint after closing.
 
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