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Marijuana: Facts, Myths, and plain old Stupidity.

Ready my post above yours. You can go argue with all those pot heads about how they are all wrong.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Here are a bunch of pot heads that disagree with you about hallucinations:

https://forum.grasscity.com/pandoras-box/218180-marijuana-visual-hallucinations.html
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They don't disagree with me at all. I was clear that closing your eyes and seeing a lightshow is not a wild hallucination. Most people don't drive with their eyes closed, so that obviously won't impair driving.

I consider a wild hallucination to be with your eyes open, seeing something that isn't really there. That simply doesn't happen with marijuana and those people seeing lights with their eyes closed are not disagreeing with that.
 
SaltyDawg said:
I'm just saying if he really said it makes people think colors have come alive, then it is either being taken out of context or he is wrong. It flat out doesn't do that.
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SaltyDawg said:
They don't disagree with me at all. I was clear that closing your eyes and seeing a lightshow is not a wild hallucination. Most people don't drive with their eyes closed, so that obviously won't impair driving.

I consider a wild hallucination to be with your eyes open, seeing something that isn't really there. That simply doesn't happen with marijuana and those people seeing lights with their eyes closed are not disagreeing with that.
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SaltyDawg said:
And read my post. All those pot head actually agree with me.
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One of my first times smoking I saw a line of green translucent gnomes doing river dance. It cracked me up pretty good.
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Yeah, catching a glimpse of dancing gnomes won't distract you from driving. Gotcha.
 
LogGrad98 said:
According to the original article posted somewhere here by Carl Sagan, that guy had some wild hallucinations. I guess you would have to say Carl Sagan agrees with Trout. Kinda trumps most anyone around here since that article was posited as being proof positive that marijuana is the end-all be-all of existence by the pot-heads. I sure want people driving who think colors have come to life and **** like that. Sounds EXACTLY like what every single person who has binged on coffee to stay awake to study for finals has experienced, except of course the opposite.
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That's not why it was posted. I posted the article mostly for Colton for various reasons. Yes, part of that was to show that very serious, scientific minds have found cannabis to be a positive influence in their lives, but I don't consider this appeal to authority to be particularly slimy. It's much easier to dismiss my experience as the ramblings of some strange, reclusive n'er-do-well. If you've spent any time arguing on message boards, you know that when all else fails, most people will try to insult, misrepresent or otherwise discredit the person they're arguing with. Thanks for a perfect example of this phenomenon.

With all that said, I don't consider my experience under the influence of cannabis to be particularly hallucinogenic. I also don't think I'd have much trouble walking a straight line. Roadside sobriety tests, however, don't have to just be a test to see if someone can walk a straight line, and could potentially be designed to test specifically for cannabis impairment (I don't know what the specifics would be). The whole discussion about walking a straight line seemed pretty stupid to me from the get go.
 
LogGrad98 said:
https://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_marijuana_cause_hallucinations

https://www.marijuana.com/places-people/44176-hallucinations.html

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8568430 (caution strong language)

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071108124054AAiojnJ

Wow look at all these people that are so full of BS about their personal experiences with weed. You better go straighten them all out.
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I wonder how many of them have done drugs that actually do cause hallucinations like shrooms or acid. Like several people posted in the first thread you linked, they get flashbacks from those drugs sometimes (acid stays in your body for life). It's also possible that someone smoked some weed that was laced (which is pretty common these days at it makes the weed seem like it's better quality and thus more valuable).

It doesn't change the fact that marijuana does not cause wild hallucinations. And I never disputed the "light show with your eyes closed" claims. I said those weren't wild hallucinations, not that they never happen.
 
SaltyDawg said:
I wonder how many of them have done drugs that actually do cause hallucinations like shrooms or acid. Like several people posted in the first thread you linked, they get flashbacks from those drugs sometimes (acid stays in your body for life). It's also possible that someone smoked some weed that was laced (which is pretty common these days at it makes the weed seem like it's better quality and thus more valuable).

It doesn't change the fact that marijuana does not cause wild hallucinations. And I never disputed the "light show with your eyes closed" claims. I said those weren't wild hallucinations, not that they never happen.
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Evidence doesn't change the facts. Gotcha. Are you beginning to see why people do not take you seriously?
 
LogGrad98 said:
Yeah, catching a glimpse of dancing gnomes won't distract you from driving. Gotcha.
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And I would absolutely call BS if someone is claiming they saw dancing gnomes from smoking weed. Either that weed was laced, they were having a flashback from some other drug, or they made the whole thing up.

People do make crap up like that because they think it makes them cool. See trout's posts for a perfect example of this. Good thing he didn't really bet his last nickel on that walking a straight line claim because he'd be pretty broke right now.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Evidence doesn't change the facts. Gotcha. Are you beginning to see why people do not take you seriously?
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What evidence? Some post on a message board that 100 people called BS on? Is there a study anywhere that says marijuana makes you see dancing gnomes? I posted a couple studies that said driving after marijuana was fine (comparable to drinking a little but still well under the legal alcohol limit). Funny that a study would come to that conclusion if the person was really seeing dancing gnomes.


People take me seriously. I have positive reps from posts in this thread. Nice try at the ad hominem though.
 
I've found colors to be more vibrant, music to have more (almost physical) depth, and of course time to move in mysterious ways when high. Further, I have a more vivid imagination when I'm high, although it never leaks out into the real world. In fact, I've never heard anyone talk about seeing things that weren't actually there while under the influence of cannabis.

This has become a semantic argument. What is a hallucination?
 
GVC said:
I've found colors to be more vibrant, music to have more (almost physical) depth, and of course time to move in mysterious ways when high. Further, I have a more vivid imagination when I'm high, although it never leaks out into the real world. In fact, I've never heard anyone talk about seeing things that weren't actually there while under the influence of cannabis.

This has become a semantic argument. What is a hallucination?
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Completely agreed. I think most pot smokers would agree with everything you have said here. I don't think any of that impairs driving though.

A hallucination to me (especially a wild hallucination, or epic hallucination) is something like what you get from acid or shrooms. You actually see things that aren't there like it's real.

Supposedly Alice in Wonderland was just some guy's acid trip and he wrote it into a book. No way does weed make you see things like that. THAT's an epic or wild hallucination that would absolutely impair your driving. Anyone claiming weed does that either smoked some laced stuff or is lying.
 
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