Mathews signs offer sheet w/Blazers (5 yrs/34 mil)

[billyshelby]

BS, you never responded to my question about why you think Matthews is not athletic. Seems to me the guy has speed to burn, good quickness, decent hops, and is strong as a bull. Sure, a lot of NBA players could fit that description, but when we're talking non-athletic that isn't a description that fits Matthews. I think of someone like Memo, a big lumbering guy with great skills but little hops or foot speed.

Why do I need to? Matthews is short, with poor length, and he can't jump. His shot is a modified set shot, not a jumpshot, mostly for that reason. As a consequence, he needs it to be set up for him. He can't just rise up against a defender to shoot. Defensively, those limitations show up against bigger wings no matter how fundamentally sound he is. I don't think he has anything other than average quickness, he just plays hard and has good instincts for the break. He OVERCOMES his athletic limitations through headiness, through intensity. He's tough. He's a crafty player. I love those qualities about him. But how many times last year did you look at the guy Wes was defending and say to yourself, 'Wes is a better athlete than that guy"? Not many if you were being honest. We can disagree that his athleticism is less important relative to how much he can improve, but I find it hard to believe you don't realize that Wes doesn't stack up well athletically with other 2 guards in the league. In fact, that's the single greatest reason he didn't get drafted.

 

[Borat]

Therein lies one of your problems, Borat. You want to rely on, indeed create, if necessary, illusory versions of "reality" to "prove" your points.

The $25 million report was FALSE, get it?

Hopper (or perhaps in this case "Fool" would fit better as per your own description), I just explained to you how we both made potentially inaccurate statements based on erroneous report. You said we need to match an offer and I said we should have gotten the same or better deal ourselves in the first place - so we are not even in position to match "toxic" offer. Both of our statements are not necessarily true now, because they were based on false report. I even said later, point is moot, as offer is just too high. It's really not that hard to understand.

Of course your version of reality incorporates the assertion that the Jazz refused to talk to Matthews' agent after free agency started. Anyone who believes, and WANTS to believe, this must have some other agenda.

My version of reality? Did you read a scary sci-fi book or something? Based on Siler's reports it appears not much negotiations were done and we told Matthews to look elsewhere. I don't have an agenda here. When I see frustrating things happening I comment on them. When I see good things happening (like drafting a rookie who did excellent in summer League), I comment on them. I praised KOC in another thread for other moves he made. You, on the other hand, always are an apologists of the Jazz. No matter what they do. How else can you keep insisting Deron was far from unhappy with Jazz moves, even when being shown an article describing exactly the opposite? You are the one with the agenda here, not me.

 

[Hopper]

How else can you keep insisting Deron was far from unhappy with Jazz moves, even when being shown an article describing exactly the opposite?

Your MO just doesn't change does it, Borat? You distort the hell out of what is said, and then seem to think that if you repeat your distortions enough times they will be (or others will at least think that they are) true.

People can read and understand things for themselves, so your attempts are just futile and embarrassing (for you, not TO you, in the case of embarrassment). You just go right on ahead witcho bad self, Borat.

 

[Borat]

Your MO just doesn't change does it, Borat? You distort the hell out of what is said, and then seem to think that if you repeat your distortions enough times they will be (or others will at least think that they are) true.

People can read and understand things for themselves, so your attempts are just futile and embarrassing (for you, not TO you, in the case of embarrassment). You just go right on ahead witcho bad self, Borat.

That sci fi book must have been really scary eh, Hopper? Now I am distorting reality? You are laughable. After I proved you wrong by providing an article that describes (and even has the title of) the exact opposite of your claim, you are saying my attempts were futile and I am embarrassing myself. What nerve. That self description of fool you made sounds better and better. Looked at yourself in the mirror lately?

And btw, I don't see your response the the "agenda" issue you brought up. I have shown how I both praised FO (defended KOC quite a bit on this very board when most people were against Hayward pick, praised him for other moves) and criticized it. You have ALWAYS been an apologist of the Jazz, and therefore the one with agenda. No?

 

[Hopper]

Go tellit to Vinny, eh, Borat? I'm through witcha.

 

[//r00t 4 Jazz]

After pages and pages of trying to convince Borat that Wes and his agent only negotiation to the Jazz is "give us the full MLE" I don't think he's going to be swayed from his opinion. Now I would think the Jazz would counter that request with their own but maybe KOC figured it would insult him and his agent so since it was clear that the agent was only going to accept the Full MLE from the Jazz (as it is an agents job to try and get the most $$$ possible unless the players says I really want to stay with the team make it happen), KOC decided ok if you can find go and we'll see if we can match. Nothing wrong with that at all IMO.

Also anybody catch Rigby on channel 4 last night I missed the first minute or so of it but I kind of got the vibe that the Jazz wouldn't match, anybody else?

 

[NCJazz]

I would think Rigby and KOC knows that the contract is to much. By my calcs we could come in at as little as 33 million in committed contracts after next season. Could give us as much as 27 million under the cap. Enough for a max player and to re-sign AK perhaps. So need to be very careful with our spending.

After pages and pages of trying to convince Borat that Wes and his agent only negotiation to the Jazz is "give us the full MLE" I don't think he's going to be swayed from his opinion. Now I would think the Jazz would counter that request with their own but maybe KOC figured it would insult him and his agent so since it was clear that the agent was only going to accept the Full MLE from the Jazz (as it is an agents job to try and get the most $$$ possible unless the players says I really want to stay with the team make it happen), KOC decided ok if you can find go and we'll see if we can match. Nothing wrong with that at all IMO.

Also anybody catch Rigby on channel 4 last night I missed the first minute or so of it but I kind of got the vibe that the Jazz wouldn't match, anybody else?

 

[BENTLEY]

I missed Rigby. What did he say? Is there a way to watch the interview?

 

[Borat]

After pages and pages of trying to convince Borat that Wes and his agent only negotiation to the Jazz is "give us the full MLE" I don't think he's going to be swayed from his opinion. Now I would think the Jazz would counter that request with their own but maybe KOC figured it would insult him and his agent so since it was clear that the agent was only going to accept the Full MLE from the Jazz (as it is an agents job to try and get the most $$$ possible unless the players says I really want to stay with the team make it happen), KOC decided ok if you can find go and we'll see if we can match. Nothing wrong with that at all IMO.

Also anybody catch Rigby on channel 4 last night I missed the first minute or so of it but I kind of got the vibe that the Jazz wouldn't match, anybody else?

Look, Root, I already said once 34 mil offer came out, whether KOC negotiated or not, it is a moot point from keeping Wes perspective: the offer is just too high. I don't want the Jazz to match at this point, but instead get us some other players.

 

[Borat]

Go tellit to Vinny, eh, Borat? I'm through witcha.

I can just see Hopper on the basketball court. Any time he is dunked on by opposing team member, he screams "Take that! In your face! You can't guard me. Two points for me!" When opposing team member shockingly says, what in the world was that, Hopper's response is to go tell it to his teammate. Sound about right, eh Hoppa?

 

[Hopper]

You go, girl!

 

[David Stern]

If we match then we're idiots. That is all.