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Matthews: Jazz never made me an offer. I would have accepted less.

KOC had options (such as Bell) and he knew it. KOC had personally stated, long before the free agency started, that it was a "top priority" for the Jazz to sign Matthews. If he made any "mistakes" it may have been that. Matthews himself cited such statements as the reason he was surprised the Jazz didn't match any offer he could extract from the Blazers, however "unreasonable."

One thing was implicit in this statement, but I though I would elaborate, just to make it explicit:

One thing posters seem to have complained about is the perception that KOC didn't show Matthews enough "love," and therefore somehow alienated Wes. But that whole process works two ways. With some people, the more you make it clear to them that you really value and want them, the more they will demand from you to "get" them. Put another way, the more they think (know) you value them, the more they will expect you to do to 'keep" them.
 
Your position has changed quite a bit, Borat. That's fine, and I'm not trying to mock, ridicule, or criticize you for re-evaluating. Quite the contrary, actually. Your post indicates that you have actually given the situation more thought, and have considered most of the information available to you, rather than selectively emphasizing only that "evidence" and argument which might serve to "prove" a conclusion which you may have reached just because you "wanted to."

It's kind of ironic that your post is made to Harcher, who initially opposed your original stance, but then quickly abandoned his position and then embraced your (former) view of the matter, based on a statement of Matthews that was both misrepresented (in the thread title) and inherently suspect, given the circumstances.

KOC had options (such as Bell) and he knew it. KOC had personally stated, long before the free agency started, that it was a "top priority" for the Jazz to sign Matthews. If he made any "mistakes" it may have been that. Matthews himself cited such statements as the reason he was surprised the Jazz didn't match any offer he could extract from the Blazers, however "unreasonable."

But KOC wouldn't say it was a "top priority" and then refuse to even consider talking to Wes when free agency began. No doubt he verbally threw out certain numbers the Jazz would entertain for Wes's agent to consider and was rebuffed by being told that nothing less than the max would do. KOC knew he could always match "the max" whether Wes wanted him to, or not. He therefore had no incentive whatsoever to offer the max, and many "disincentives" for doing it. In the meantime, KOC had no choice but to start looking at such alternatives to Wes as Bell. Even so, the last thing KOC wanted to do was to drive Wes away from the Jazz to Portland. On the other hand, there was no way he could stop Wes from signing with Portland if that's what Wes wanted to do.

My position, after learning the sick amount of Blazers offer, was that whether KOC negotiated or not is a moot point, since it is almost impossible for me to imagine a guy refusing 33mil after coming off 400K deal. Even if Jazz offered 16 (CJ's contract, which I consider fair), it's still too much to leave on the table. Ever since learning about 33 mil offer, I never suggested Wes would take less money. As I indicated in other threads, it's all a moot point. So, I don't see my position changing here. As far as whether KOC negotiated or not, I thought he didn't, Wes said he didn't, KOC said talk to Wes' agent. Whatever the truth may be, like I said - it's a moot point. Especially with KOC delivering Bell after this, we might be actually better off. Certainly at this time I have no complains about KOC on this. I like the end result, and that's the bottom line.
 
As I indicated in other threads, it's all a moot point. So, I don't see my position changing here. As far as whether KOC negotiated or not, I thought he didn't, Wes said he didn't, KOC said talk to Wes' agent. Whatever the truth may be, like I said - it's a moot point.

Sure it's moot. That said, are you still of the opinion that it's obvious that KOC didn't "negotiate" and that he was wrong not to do so? Or has your position on that changed any?
 
More from Ross Siler on Twitter:

"This is getting ridiculous as far as what Wesley Matthews is claiming. Jazz were strung along in negotiations for close to two weeks".

"Wesley Matthews' agent, Lance Young, represented Chris Paul until this summer, when Paul left for LeBron's marketing company".

"You don't think Young was out this summer to get the biggest deals possible for Rudy Gay and Wes Matthews in wake of losing Chris Paul"?

"Jazz tried to set up a meeting in Orlando during summer league to talk contract. They were blown off. Next day Wes was flying to Portland".
 
More from Ross Siler on Twitter:

"This is getting ridiculous as far as what Wesley Matthews is claiming. Jazz were strung along in negotiations for close to two weeks".

"Wesley Matthews' agent, Lance Young, represented Chris Paul until this summer, when Paul left for LeBron's marketing company".

"You don't think Young was out this summer to get the biggest deals possible for Rudy Gay and Wes Matthews in wake of losing Chris Paul"?

"Jazz tried to set up a meeting in Orlando during summer league to talk contract. They were blown off. Next day Wes was flying to Portland".

https://twitter.com/tribjazz
 
Sure it's moot. That said, are you still of the opinion that it's obvious that KOC didn't "negotiate" and that he was wrong not to do so? Or has your position on that changed any?

If Jazz did make Wes an offer, it's quite hard to fathom that Wes would just fabricate the false information that they didn't. But ... KOC seems to deny it, so Harcher described it best: he said, she said. Bottom line: I've been saying this is moot ever since learning about 34 mil offer. There was no way realistically that we could have kept Wes. I am happy with how KOC addressed the situation, and that's the biggest change since the time I thought the offer was 25 mil.
 
This is getting ridiculous. The guy played for Jazz for just one season, only 24 mins a game. It's not like Karl Malone being introduced as a Laker.

I'm thinking the PDX front office has no choice but to hang their hat on Wesley's acquisition, I don't see them making any significant moves now. Really, what's out there for Portland? They have a **** load of wings they can trade, but no one of real worth. Plus, THEY'RE WINGS! They're forums are talking about getting CP3 or Tony Parker. HAHA! Their fans are living in LALA land.

This deal looks more and more like a backfire for Portland. They tried to screw us financially and failed.
 
This is getting ridiculous. The guy played for Jazz for just one season, only 24 mins a game. It's not like Karl Malone being introduced as a Laker.

No, it's not at all. The guy was a restricted FA, loved playing in Utah, the fans and organization loved him. One of their top priorities was to re-sign him. Am I not allowed to be surprised that it happened, like everyone else? Give me a break.
 
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