I thought 4-16 would be fair, same deal as CJ got.
Matthews: Jazz never made me an offer. I would have accepted less.
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I thought 4-16 would be fair, same deal as CJ got.
Dampier as a player has no value. His contract is not guaranteed though, so whoever gets him will just dump him right away and not pay a penny. In other words, he has exactly the same value as large TPE that we had. And considering we have better draft picks than Dallas, Dallas should have never been a front runner. It should not have been that close ... but we won in the end. I can't complain.
Shaggy
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I think you missed the point. Dampier as player has very little vaule. But his contract or lack thereof was huge. Dampiers contract is more valuebale because even if they traded for him, they might/could re-trade him for more picks if they so choose. But with the TPE once the deal is done it goes away.
For example: Minnesota trades Al Jefferson for Dampier and 2 first round drafts picks. They keep Dampier on the roster until trade deadline and they then trade him to New York. New York wants more cap space so they give up another first round pick. ( Minny has 3 first round draft picks after everything is done)
If they do they deal with Utah they get 2 first round draft picks.
It's all hypothetical of course but you get my point? It really comes down to when or if Dampiers contract ever becomes guaranteed.
I get your point, and still it is not valid. Wolves are WELL under the CAP without Jefferson. They don't need Dampier to absorb any contract, then can flat out accept it with their CAP room. Even if they were not under CAP, they could use TPE they got from us to do exactly what you are proposing with Dampier. The bottom line is Dampier has the same value as TPE. Actually worse, because TPE is good for a year, and Damp's contract has to be terminated before start of season. No matter how you slice it, Dallas having Dampier does not give them any advantage of our TPE. If anything, TPE has the advantage here, as I explained before, plus we had better draft picks than Dallas.
For those pissing and moaning that the Jazz didn't make an offer, what offer do you thing Wesley would have taken without even looking at other teams? He even says that if the Jazz would have made an offer it would be fair and he might have taken it.
This to me screams that regardless of what Utah offered he and his agent would have run to every team in the league and said, "This is what Utah is offering me. Can you do better?"
No way he would have re-upped with Utah until he was shot down by every team in the league.
Utah would have been stupid to tender an offer because it would give Wes' camp bargaining power. As it happens Porty was dumb enough to offer way more than what he was worth. The Jazz dodged a bullet on this one.
Good luck Wesley. Don't let the door hit you on the *** on the way out. Enjoy the pine. Your *** is going to see a lot of it.
All this moaning about Wesley is truly incredible. The Jazz take an undrafted player, pay him 400+k and sign him for a year. He works hard, but doesn't play all that well at first, gets a chance because of injury and a trade, and becomes an honest good player, really turning it on in the playoffs. Jazz make it clear that resigning him is a top priority. His agent tells them that they are thinking MLE max. KOC says "wow, I guess you can find a team willing to pay that and then we'll talk." In the meantime, Matthews says the hometeam gets no discount. Portland, with an endless moneypit, makes an absurd offer with a special frontload to really screw Utah, but they probably honestly thought Utah would match. Matthews, thinking Utah would match, signs the offer without thinking about the actuality of Utah not matching. Utah, with his salary and cap implications would have forked over probably in excess of 15 million to keep Matthews this first year. To recap for the slow ones, Utah helps Matthews go from a 400000 undrafted player to a whopping 7mil/per, that's only an increase of 1800ish%, and the hometeam doesn't get a discount. I really wanted him to be here, but to put the blame on KOC is some sort of dumbassery.
Jazz4ever
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Matthews seems to be having second thoughts, and well he should be. We'll see how he fares without Deron to assist on 80% of his shots. We'll see how he likes playing only 15 minutes a game behind Roy, and no there is no chance he gets SF time. Matthews will never have to worry about money again, but this guy is a true competitor, and he will learn to hate being a bench cheerleader for the prime if his career...again I don't really fault the guy, he is just a pawn in Portland's moronic bullying game.
Shaggy
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Dude, nevermind. You don't get what I'm saying. Show me a link saying Dampiers contract is guaranteed once the season starts? From what I can find there is no date on it so anyone can cut him anytime they want and prorate the contract.
billyshelby
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Welcome to the board MilesDeep. That explains it pretty well.
Karadrys30
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KOC probably never did talk directly with Matthews about a contract. That is what agents are for. The agent was probably trying to highball the jazz and KOC said we will see what the market sets the price at and then go from there. The blazers made and offer and the Jazz didnt think it was in their best interest to match it. I agree. I like matthews but he isnt worth a full mid level. maybe in the future he could be, but right now I havnt seen anything to tell me he is. Not when you can get someone nearly as good at a fourth the price.