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Matthews: Jazz never made me an offer. I would have accepted less.

Matthews: No hometown discount for Jazz

KIRKLAND: Last thought. Is there a home team discount coming or does the offer trump everything else?

MATTHEWS: I got to go with the business decision. The best thing for the Jazz is they have the last take, the last hand to play.

Wes you told everything a while ago. As we can see from your words. You as the Boozer. Money....Money...Money.


Good luck! I Hope you enjoy your 10 - 15 mins per game)
 
ShaggyReAL said:
Dude, nevermind. You don't get what I'm saying. Show me a link saying Dampiers contract is guaranteed once the season starts? From what I can find there is no date on it so anyone can cut him anytime they want and prorate the contract.
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Did you not understand that Wolves are under the CAP, so they can absorb any salaries anyway with out Dampier's contract? And how is Dampier contract better than TPE, when once the season begins you have to pay the guy, when you don't have to pay for TPE. Why don't you give it some though before responding next time. It's really not that hard to grasp that TPE is as good or better than Dampier's contract.
 
Reality is always somewhere in the middle.

I imagine when the two camps sat down, Matthews' camp was adamant that they could get the MLE elsewhere. KOC obviously balked at that. Starting negotiations at the damn ceiling really backs one side into a corner. I also imagine KOC through some initial stuff out there. I'm guessing 3 years. I doubt he threw a monetary amount out there since Matthews felt he was worth the ceiling. Thus KOC said if you can find it, go get it. We'll see if we match.

No formal offer necessary. If the other side starts way up there, and you believe it's half that, why even make a formal offer? The guy is going to look elsewhere no matter what you do.
 
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Darkwing Duck said:
Reality is always somewhere in the middle.

I imagine when the two camps sat down, Matthews' camp was adamant that they could get the MLE elsewhere. KOC obviously balked at that. Starting negotiations at the damn ceiling really backs one side into a corner. I also imagine KOC through some initial stuff out there. I'm guessing 3 years. I doubt he through a monetary amount out there since Matthews felt he was worth the ceiling. Thus KOC said if you can find it, go get it. We'll see if we match.

No formal offer necessary. If the other side starts way up there, and you believe it's half that, why even make a formal offer? The guy is going to look elsewhere no matter what you do.
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Darkwing Duck said:
I also imagine KOC through some initial stuff out there. I'm guessing 3 years.
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Wes was adamant about about Jazz NOT making an offer. I have no reason to doubt that. I am sure Wes would not just misstate the fact like that. With that said, I don't know if he is sincere about not feeling out the market and taking less money if we made an offer right away, since it is not a factual, but purely hypothetical scenario. We will never know, since we didn't make one, but I don't think we can just assume he would have accepted a fair offer, just because he said he "might" have done that. Again, we will never know this.
 
Borat said:
Wes was adamant about about Jazz NOT making an offer. I have no reason to doubt that. I am sure Wes would not just misstate the fact like that. With that said, I don't know if he is sincere about not feeling out the market and taking less money if we made an offer right away, since it is not a factual, but purely hypothetical scenario. We will never know, since we didn't make one, but I don't think we can just assume he would accepted a fair offer, just because he said he "might" have done that. Again, we will never know this.
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From Siler:

"Wesley Matthews charges Jazz never made him an offer, but team was told from beginning it would take max midlevel to re-sign him."

"Jazz wanted to talk about three- and four-year contract options. Why would they start bidding at the ceiling of what could be offered?"
 
Darkwing Duck said:
From Siler:

"Wesley Matthews charges Jazz never made him an offer, but team was told from beginning it would take max midlevel to re-sign him."

"Jazz wanted to talk about three- and four-year contract options. Why would they start bidding at the ceiling of what could be offered?"
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This does not contradict what Wes is saying nor previous Siler reports. Wes said he wanted Midlevel. Jazz told him to go find it somewhere else. No counter offer was made. It IS that simple.
 
Borat said:
This does not contradict what Wes is saying nor previous Siler reports. Wes said he wanted Midlevel. Jazz told him to go find it somewhere else. No counter offer was made. It IS that simple.
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It is. If someone comes in saying they can get the max, what's the point of offering anything less? And why would you do it if you didn't think he was worth the max? Negotiations at that point are moot. He's going out to look for the MLE no matter what you do.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
It is. If someone comes in saying they can get the max, what's the point of offering anything less? And why would you do it if you didn't think he was worth the max? Negotiations at that point are moot. He's going out to look for the MLE no matter what you do.
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That's the whole point of negotiations. One party says one number, another party gives a counter offer, and you go back and fourth until you reach agreement (or impasse). In this case Wes asked 5-34 (i.e. midlevel MAX), and we never made ANY kind of counter offer, but told Wes to go elsewhere. What's in debate here?
 
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