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[LogGrad98]

Didn't Biyombo just dominate those who will make up the majority of that draft? If he's there at 12, you take him.

Apparently not enough people felt he "dominated" enough to be in the top 5. Talk of him being in the late lottery on some sites does not bode well for your "domination" theory.

Dude has a 9'3'' standing reach, a chiseled frame and can apparently jump out of the gym. You don't play the game with the top of your head. And the dude averaged 2.3 blocks and 5.1 boards playing only 17 minutes per game in the ACB (second best league in the world). Seems pretty monster-like to me.

If he is such a monster why is he rated 8th (in Mr. Colton's wonderful compilation draft), and 12th potentially in a weak draft class? If he just completely dominated everyone in next years draft class why is there talk on some sites of him going anywhere from 8 to 14? Why is he not the consensus #1?

 

[zbone]

I think we need to desperately upgrade our defense.... No one other than Favors even attempts to play defense anymore. Teams were driving easily into the lane against us last year. After watching playoff basketball, that just cannot happen. Nearly every team in the playoffs had a big who was a game changer defensively. And currently, nearly every team alive right now has a real solid enforcer down low.

Dallas: Tyson C.
OKC: Ibaka and Perkins
Heat: Udonis and that dude
Bulls: Noah

Jazz: Fess/Keri Holland/The Doctor who throws stuff up when they shoot free throws

Now I wonder why we're in the lottery and not playing against Dallas?

Do you realise that our own today's Fes would be easily this year's lottery pick and most likely ranked higher than Bismack?
I'm not arguing that we need a proper defensive big but I'm just trying to not be caught into annual unknown savior big frenzy and put things in perspective. This is a very ****** draft. Chances are you won't find what you are looking for this year.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

D-Will 2.0 and Biyombo = dream draft

This would be incredible!

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Apparently not enough people felt he "dominated" enough to be in the top 5. Talk of him being in the late lottery on some sites does not bode well for your "domination" theory.



If he is such a monster why is he rated 8th (in Mr. Colton's wonderful compilation draft), and 12th potentially in a weak draft class? If he just completely dominated everyone in next years draft class why is there talk on some sites of him going anywhere from 8 to 14? Why is he not the consensus #1?

Because Lady Luck is doing a lap dance for the Utah Jazz. Shhhhhh. Don't mess it up!

 

[BENTLEY]

The Biyombo detractors are just pointing out the very valid risks with any prospect. It's a gamble. Biyombo excited everybody after watching his defense in the NHS. But as time goes on people start to pick apart the guy's game. He has no offense. He'll be a project. The reverse argument is used on Fredette. He wows everyone with his offense, but then time goes on and people can pick apart his weaknesses - he has no defense. He'll be a project.

But IMO the ceiling of both Fredette and Biyombo is higher than a guy like Singleton. Hey, I was on the Singleton bandwagon for a little while but Billyshelby convinced me Singleton isn't without his warts either and his ceiling is much lower. So it's better to risk the pick on a prospect with a more unique skill set and hope it pans out. I'm not saying Singleton won't be a good. He might. But his ceiling's so much lower. His skill is lock down defense. This was Raja's skill (when he was young and good) and Raja went undrafted. This is pick 12 so let's aim higher.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I agree on Singleton. Watched him a lot, never been impressed with him as a lottery-type player .. even a weak lottery. We all have our opinions, I'd go for Kanter as bpa, maybe a Kemba or Thompson at #12, and get a 2G in FA.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Also, on Biyombo, how is it determined that he dominated anyway? He played the most minutes of any player, either team .. and despite his (admittedly) gaudy number of blocks, he;
- tied for 7th in scoring
- had more turnovers that anyone else from either team
- had exactly 1 more rebound than Davis (though Biyombo played 5 additional minutes)

He played well, certainly showed nice potential, but to say he dominated is a bit of a stretch.

 

[BENTLEY]

Yeah Biyombo's shine is from his blocks and the passion he played with. But his team still lost by 12. He's a project. But he's an exciting one. Don't know if he'll become anything decent but considering who else is available at 12 I'd take the gamble.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Do you realise that our own today's Fes would be easily this year's lottery pick and most likely ranked higher than Bismack?
I'm not arguing that we need a proper defensive big but I'm just trying to not be caught into annual unknown savior big frenzy and put things in perspective. This is a very ****** draft. Chances are you won't find what you are looking for this year.

No, actually, I didn't realize that Fess would easily be a "lottery pick" this year. Who says so, other than you?

 

[GVC]

If he is such a monster why is he rated 8th (in Mr. Colton's wonderful compilation draft), and 12th potentially in a weak draft class? If he just completely dominated everyone in next years draft class why is there talk on some sites of him going anywhere from 8 to 14? Why is he not the consensus #1?

I should have quoted more of your post. Here's the part preceding what I quoted:

If he were 7'2", and a proven defensive monster

The guy has adequate size, strength and athleticism to be a beastly defensive center, a much sought after commodity in the NBA, and one the Jazz have been lacking for many years. And, while his per minute stats (rebounds, blocks) in the ACB are monster-like, calling him "proven is a bit of a stretch, as this was his first year getting real minutes in a legitimate league.

His appeal is his upside. Ranking, on average, 8th in internet mock drafts, which oftentimes end up being wildly inaccurate, is hardly a knock on him. He was unknown just a few short months ago. His rise to this point is nothing short of amazing. I don't think it's out of the question the Jazz find at least a solid role player at 12, and the Jazz still need some of those last I checked. Biyombo seems to fit the bill.

 

[Deleted member 365]

I don't think this guy is as good as any of those even. This is where trading the pick (and other assets as necessary) to fill a need would be more valuable than adding a questionable project to an already very young team.


And you are seriously so high on Bismack that you think he will be the difference between lottery and WCF? Really?

You won't find any argument from me that Bismack probably isn't close to someone like Noah. However, the big P word is there. I'd rather have us roll the dice on him in hopes that he'll develop into that type of player. In a crappy draft like this, you gotta take what you can get. If he's the BPA at #12, well... Take him.

Most #12 picks have sucked anyway. Might as well try and improve our defense, length, and athleticism. I like Jimmer, think he'll be a good backup/fill in guy. But Biyombo is the superior talent. Roll the dice, swing for the fences KOC. You don't win championships going with the safe picks. Just look @ OKC, trading players all over the place to strengthen their frontline. They too, drafted Ibaka, a risky young kid from the Congo with no offensive game. There are very few players I'd rather have in that draft over Ibaka right now.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Some corrections/additions if I may:

Dallas also has probably the best backup C in the NBA in Haywood who makes his living on D.

OKC also has Nick Collison who has played some very key minutes. Nazr Mohammed isn't a slouch either. And if Aldrich can ever get minutes then he might be another guy for them.

Miami is interesting. They really don't have a traditional C of any import. Joel Anthony is the closest thing they've got, otherwise their success is because they have athletic superstars at 3 positions flying all over the place and caring.

Chicago also has Omer Asik, Taj Gibson, Kurt Thomas, and the most keen defensive mind in the NBA today coaching them. He might already be in the discussion of all-time greats in that regard (defensive coaching).


The Jazz are nowhere close. Nowhere close to having a defense as capable as those teams. They could if they get really smart and really lucky really quick.

I completely agree.