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BENTLEY said:
Yeah, I know you're not convinced. And you've made up your mind so no one is going to convince you. But who would the Jazz miss out on if they "waste" this pick on Biyombo? And is that much of a loss to not gamble on the potential this guy has? It's not like there are guys with extraordinarily high ceilings at pick 12.
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The thing is I don't mind taking Biyombo 12th in this draft because I trust KOC and believe he knows his basketball stuff better than this whole board combined. As the matter of fact I will be happy with anyone at 12. I'm just puzzled with the fact that Fes haters who bash him for lack of offensive game vouching for even worse guy in this aspect. That's it.
 
BENTLEY said:
Yeah, I know you're not convinced. And you've made up your mind so no one is going to convince you. But who would the Jazz miss out on if they "waste" this pick on Biyombo? And is that much of a loss to not gamble on the potential this guy has? It's not like there are guys with extraordinarily high ceilings at pick 12.
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Exactly my point. Why commit another 1st round guaranteed contract to someone who may or may not help us. Trade the pick.
 
NUMBERICA said:
He speaks 4 languages fluently and is the captain of the team defense whenever he plays. He's known for directing his teams defensive rotations (whether in practice or the game of the NHS, or his ACB team in Spain, or anything previous to that) and strategy.

You're not wrong for being skeptical. But please don't compare him to a lazy dope that hasn't accomplished anything at any level and cruises by with his sheer size.
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Fes speaks 3 languages fluently btw. I hope you are right though in your judgement. I'm just probably can't overcome frustration with Fes wasting his potential.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Why commit another 1st round guaranteed contract to someone who may or may not help us.
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2 years guaranteed at a total of only $3.6mil ($1.8mil per) is extremely cheap for a player who may end up being an impact player. Having two additional unguaranteed years plus the option to match any offer subsequent to those additional two years is very valuable. Trading the pick for an overpriced veteran who will only help the Jazz ascend to treadmill team status would be a waste. Lottery picks in any draft are extremely valuable assets. Getting good value trading the 12th pick is very difficult (unless you trade for future picks, which you seem to be against, no?).
 
This goes back to the identity of the team that we have been talking about. Picking Biyombo at 12 should mean that we take the grinding out, hard-nose defense style of play, which I personally prefer (I enjoy watching the ECF more than the WCF this year even they are not scoring many points). I think he can already defend well in the NBA (especially help defense) but I think the downside is that he will probably be a fouling machine the first year because of the way refs pick on rookies.
 
Some numbers that help Fredette out when compared to the consensus #1:

Jimmer is an inch shorter and weighs five more pounds with 2.5 percent less body fat. I calculate that as about 10 more pounds of muscle on him. Not bad at all.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
Some numbers that help Fredette out when compared to the consensus #1:

Jimmer is an inch shorter and weighs five more pounds with 2.5 percent less body fat. I calculate that as about 10 more pounds of muscle on him. Not bad at all.
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well, there's sumthin'. at least.
 
zbone said:
What makes you think he is intelligent?
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Listen to an interview with him and your question will be answered. On top of that, he can give the interview in four languages. This guy is special. I'll be stunned and thrilled if he's still available at 12.
 
GVC said:
2 years guaranteed at a total of only $3.6mil ($1.8mil per) is extremely cheap for a player who may end up being an impact player. Having two additional unguaranteed years plus the option to match any offer subsequent to those additional two years is very valuable. Trading the pick for an overpriced veteran who will only help the Jazz ascend to treadmill team status would be a waste. Lottery picks in any draft are extremely valuable assets. Getting good value trading the 12th pick is very difficult (unless you trade for future picks, which you seem to be against, no?).
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Great point. Sure if a guy is a bust, you hate to have money tied up. But at #12 it isn't a ton and if the kid can play, you've got the ability to match any offer. Unless Favors and Hayward take HUGE steps forward, bringing in a veteran is not the best move. I'd rather see the Jazz end up with the GS pick and their own in the 12-14 range. Then maybe they can parlay those two picks into something around #5 and get the SF/SG/PG they still need (depending on who they draft this year).
 
zbone said:
What exactly were Fes' numbers?
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I think this works to prove exactly the opposite of what you want.

Fess didn't put up any numbers. He was little known, for a reason.

Biyombo is much better known because he's done a lot more, has played against superior competition, and is actually considered an NBA prospect. Not some 2nd round hopeful who is just trying to rip off a few bucks from some NBA team before falling back into obscurity.
 
I'm not sure if this has been mention in this thread, but I just looked at Brooks's measurements. God damn!
 
Jon Leuer > Bismack Raw, raw, raw, Biyombaw.

Were are the official vertical measurements for projected players already?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xNNxp9XFuKo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hnksf4tRwQ4&feature=player_embedded

That's a standing vertical of somewhere between 11' and 11'6, or 22.5 to 28.5 inches. Jason Collinsish, but shorter height and wingspan. Good luck with that.
 
franklin said:
Jon Leuer > Bismack Raw, raw, raw, Biyombaw.

Were are the official vertical measurements for projected players already?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xNNxp9XFuKo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hnksf4tRwQ4&feature=player_embedded

That's a standing vertical of somewhere between 11' and 11'6, or 22.5 to 28.5 inches. Jason Collinsish, but shorter height and wingspan. Good luck with that.
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Patience grasshopper. They should be out the next couple of days. Takes awhile for the nba to process them.
 
franklin said:
That's a standing vertical of somewhere between 11' and 11'6, or 22.5 to 28.5 inches. Jason Collinsish, but shorter height and wingspan. Good luck with that.
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A 28" no step vertical would be quite good for a 260 lb center. Cousins only managed 23". We'll see.
 
I heard Jimmer jumped completely over the tester and hit the top flag with his toe on his way down. Now that is a vertical. And he wasn't testing, he was just taking his standard jump shot.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I heard Jimmer jumped completely over the tester and hit the top flag with his toe on his way down. Now that is a vertical. And he wasn't testing, he was just taking his standard jump shot.
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Jimmer's picture is the universal sign for the phrase "jumping out of the gym."
 
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