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The Thriller said:
Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Libya... The list goes on and on...

I honestly can't think of a single case where a coup actually brought on positive results.

Can anyone point to where a coup triggered the desired result? I can't.
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The coup in thailand that happened 2 years ago that led to the current military government I can honestly say is a successful and a positive one. They have successfully uprooted some deep rooted and engrained corrupted systems and officials/policemen/comnected well off elites and for the most part has brought about a peaceful and joyous 2 years for the people there.

The world as a whole has frown upon the coup at the time and even now.. but unless you are the actual people living there you don't know what it's really like in the old days vs now. Granted it's not entirely democratic but it has worked.

So why did the democratic system fail? Because the Party that always get voted in knows how to pursuade the under priviledged and the under educated living in rural areas that accounts for 70-80% compared to the 20-30% of the better off well educated people living in the main cities (there are 70+ million people in thailand only 10-20 million of which I would say are well off and educated). The popular Party is owned by one of the richest man in the world afterall... and vote buying is the norm.

So yes sometime the democratic process still fail in many parts of the world sadly....
 
ONE LOVE said:
The coup in thailand that happened 2 years ago that led to the current military government I can honestly say is a successful and a positive one. They have successfully uprooted some deep rooted and engrained corrupted systems and officials/policemen/comnected well off elites and for the most part has brought about a peaceful and joyous 2 years for the people there.

The world as a whole has frown upon the coup at the time and even now.. but unless you are the actual people living there you don't know what it's really like in the old days vs now. Granted it's not entirely democratic but it has worked.

So why did the democratic system fail? Because the Party that always get voted in knows how to pursuade the under priviledged and the under educated living in rural areas that accounts for 70-80% compared to the 20-30% of the better off well educated people living in the main cities (there are 70+ million people in thailand only 10-20 million of which I would say are well off and educated). The popular Party is owned by one of the richest man in the world afterall... and vote buying is the norm.

So yes sometime the democratic process still fail in many parts of the world sadly....
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ok there's one. Any others?

To my knowledge, most coup's end up worsening the situation. Not helping.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
America (but that was a different world, and I don't disagree with your point)
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I wouldn't consider the American Revolution a coup.

Hell, one of the problems Washington had was getting the Continental Congress to authorize payments and supplies for the forming and training of a continental army.

It's my understanding that a coup is a quick overthrow of a government usually involving a general or series of generals.

That doesn't describe the American Revolution at all. For years there was propaganda and threats of independence.

The Boston Massacre was 6 years before the Dec of Ind. the Boston Tea Act was a full 3 years before the Dec of Ind was drafted.
 
The Thriller said:
I wouldn't consider the American Revolution a coup.

Hell, one of the problems Washington had was getting the Continental Congress to authorize payments and supplies for the forming and training of a continental army.

It's my understanding that a coup is a quick overthrow of a government usually involving a general or series of generals.

That doesn't describe the American Revolution at all. For years there was propaganda and threats of independence.

The Boston Massacre was 6 years before the Dec of Ind. the Boston Tea Act was a full 3 years before the Dec of Ind was drafted.
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You teach kids stuff?
 
So apparently there is a Turkish cleric in the US that was granted asylum some years ago. Erdogan blames him and wants the US to turn him over. Demands actually. They have closed the airspace to the Incirlik (spelling) airbase that the US uses for air strikes into Syria. They also turned off the power and will not allow any American forces in or out. We have about 1,500 at that location and 2,200 in Turkey overall.

Will be very interesting and concerning to see this play out.

Also Germany and Turkey are pissed at each other as well and have a similar situation with Germany ready to pull their forces after being denied access to them.
 
Gameface said:
I guess I think of coups, rebellions and revolutions as different things.

I think of a coup as a group within an established nation attempting to seize control quickly.

A rebellion is when part of a nation breaks off and goes to war with the the parent nation.

Revolution is a term used by rebels to make what they're doing sound better.
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Revolution is the end part of rebellion. At that phase, you ultimately change the the structure of whether regime, social structure, government or something else that is essential to the lives of the people.


Rebellion is the action of rising up against the oppressor, while revolution is something that carries on for years, sometimes decades to see if the results are the way you want. Because a social structure of a society does not change too easily.
 
addictionary said:
Revolution is the end part of rebellion. At that phase, you ultimately change the the structure of whether regime, social structure, government or something else that is essential to the lives of the people.


Rebellion is the action of rising up against the oppressor, while revolution is something that carries on for years, sometimes decades to see if the results are the way you want. Because a social structure of a society does not change too easily.
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So... as a Turkish, would you have preferred the coup to have been successful or are you happier now that Erdogan has the country back?
 
The Independence War of Turkish Republic that took place between 1919-1922 is a rebellion against the Ottoman dictator and invadors like Greeks, English, French, Italian. It was led by Atatürk and he made forces of an entire nation join together to defend their coutry against invadors.

The changes made after 1922-1923 are revolutions.

And revolution never ended. We can also say that revolution never ends.

Actually right now the government in Turkey has been performing what we call a COUNTER-REVOLUTION. They have been so successful that they have changed the chemistry and structure of an entire nation, affecting directly a good 30-40 % of it.

The military was against these kinds of backwards minded governments through out history, Because they followed Atatürk's values of revolution, and these backwards governments hated Atatürk. Because Atatürk saw their religious organizations as a threat and banned them before.

Atatürk wanted a life that had no religious discrimination and no effect of religion onto politics, government, science, social law etc.
 
ONE LOVE said:
So... as a Turkish, would you have preferred the coup to have been successful or are you happier now that Erdogan has the country back?
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I would support any uprise against Erdogan because he is running towards a dictatorship and will in the end try to oppress our living spaces. Us: who do not vote him.

I felt frightened when I have heard the announcement of coup on the TV. Because coup means "no more individual rights until we allow you to"

So my answer is I will never choose one of the two worsts and keep trying to fight ignorance.
 
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