Missed Opportunities

[oldtimer]

Asik is just one example guys. The only reason I wouldn't want Asik is because his contract goes from a reasonable 10 million approx. to 15 million approx. If he keeps improving he may be worth more than that.

 

[Bodhi]

Asik is just one example guys. The only reason I wouldn't want Asik is because his contract goes from a reasonable 10 million approx. to 15 million approx. If he keeps improving he may be worth more than that.

Ok, this is the ideal time for me to exit the conversation then.

 

[oldtimer]

And if came down to that, what assets have the Jazz gotten? Zero. They now have two more UNRESTRICTED first round draft picks.

And begging the Jazz to take players? What teams. Show your work. Give me an example of a team over the luxury tax that will BEG the Jazz to take him off their hands worth more than two unrestricted first round draft picks? Asik is not even close to that.

Darkwing what were the three first round picks worth that the lakers gave to memphis for pau gasol? Nothing, nada zip. Unless we get lucky those unrestricted first round picks will be mid 20ish.

I don't have a list of tax paying teams. I do know there are tax paying teams and I believe there would have been better options in the future. On day one, five options were available and pissed away (if you add Millsap to my original list) because we signed three losers. More options will come available I'm sure of it.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

Darkwing: I hope your crystal ball is better than mine. I don't know exactly what players and picks will be available come the trade deadline. I believe the new take consequences of the CBA are going to force teams to do things they don't want to do and very good players and picks would be available later for teams with cap space.

I'll help you.

Heat, Lakers, Nets, Knicks, and Clippers are the only teams I see that are going to be well into the luxury tax. No team is going to try to get under the CAP in the middle of the season because by definition, they're already there. Trades for salary purposes in the middle of the season are tax related for that season. What out of those teams is going to net the Jazz better than two unrestricted draft picks? Lakers can't trade any picks for five years, neither can the Nets. There's nothing there that's intriguing like two unprotected draft picks.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

Darkwing what were the three first round picks worth that the lakers gave to memphis for pau gasol? Nothing, nada zip. Unless we get lucky those unrestricted first round picks will be mid 20ish.

I don't have a list of tax paying teams. I do know there are tax paying teams and I believe there would have been better options in the future. On day one, five options were available and pissed away (if you add Millsap to my original list) because we signed three losers. More options will come available I'm sure of it.

Well, it was two future first round picks, and one of them averaged 14 points and 9 assists last year, but don't let facts get in the way. And there WAS a Marc Gasol in that trade, too.

 

[BabyPeterzz]

oldtimer: you're speculating. a bird in hand is worth two in the bush. you're suggesting the jazz gamble more than lindsey did today with this trade, and i completely disagree with you and i think you're the one panicing.

if anything, the fact that the young guys get to prove themselves alone makes this trade worth it. it's time to see what they can do. 3 years of preparation and waiting have led up to this point. and you want to throw this opportunity away? we have untapped potential and possible failures waiting for us. but we won't know what we have until we see it.

 

[trigg3r]

Darkwing what were the three first round picks worth that the lakers gave to memphis for pau gasol? Nothing, nada zip. Unless we get lucky those unrestricted first round picks will be mid 20ish.

I don't have a list of tax paying teams. I do know there are tax paying teams and I believe there would have been better options in the future. On day one, five options were available and pissed away (if you add Millsap to my original list) because we signed three losers. More options will come available I'm sure of it.

Didn't they end up getting the draft rights to Marc Gasol? It actually turned out well for Memphis.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

Going out of town basically now for a couple days. So can't respond to new stuff.

Hopefully the final roster will be full when I get back.

 

[oldtimer]

Fair enough, bad behavior on my part. But dude... even the other opportunities you directly cite suck. And these other mystery opportunities out there you mention don't actually exist. You realize these contracts the Jazz took on last one year, right? The Jazz essentially agreed to hold another team's crap bag for a season that was already a total tank/growing opportunity for the youngsters and got two 1st round picks and two 2nd round picks. They sacrificed nothing except Greg Miller's money (which I don't care about) and got nicely rewarded for it.

I love it. I love everything about it. And in 2017, when Steph Curry's ankle is long gone, Bogut is 2 years into retirment, and the Warriors have slipped right back into the lottery you are going to love it too.

To me the best part of the trade is we get our cap space back in a year. These are all one year rentals. I agree with that. What scares me is what the Jazz will miss out on in the next year. Your right I don't know what those opportunities are right now I just believe they will exist. As for Curry's ankle and Bogut retirement I agree completely.

 

[oldtimer]

Didn't they end up getting the draft rights to Marc Gasol? It actually turned out well for Memphis.

yes, Marc was the throw in in the deal. The real prize was the 3 first round picks. All crap. Now which of the three pieces of trash the Jazz picked up today is the next Marc Gasol?

 

[trigg3r]

To me the best part of the trade is we get our cap space back in a year. These are all one year rentals. I agree with that. What scares me is what the Jazz will miss out on in the next year. Your right I don't know what those opportunities are right now I just believe they will exist. As for Curry's ankle and Bogut retirement I agree completely.

We also get some nice unprotected picks that may or may not be good. Overall, this was a good deal. The Miller family was going to have to shell out a lot of money anyway seeing as how we were below the floor. Why not do this?

 

[oldtimer]

oldtimer: you're speculating. a bird in hand is worth two in the bush. you're suggesting the jazz gamble more than lindsey did today with this trade, and i completely disagree with you and i think you're the one panicing.

if anything, the fact that the young guys get to prove themselves alone makes this trade worth it. it's time to see what they can do. 3 years of preparation and waiting have led up to this point. and you want to throw this opportunity away? we have untapped potential and possible failures waiting for us. but we won't know what we have until we see it.

Yea but couldn't our young guys prove themselves without destroying our cap space? I mean why do a bad trade just to force Corbin to play the young guys.