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oneye said:
For perspective everyone. This is the medical staff he has stopped listening to and doesn't trust:

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Jazz have avoided major injury or health issues this season. Can they keep it that way through the playoffs?

Unlike many contending teams who have dealt with injury issues this season, the Jazz have remained relatively healthy during this truncated season.
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"The Utah Jazz meanwhile, have been one of very few teams in the league that has been able to push through this season relatively unscathed. To this point they’ve not had any major injuries or health issues with their core rotation"

Now Donovan's days obviously added up, but that injury was from a leg that swiped under him, not on the medical staff. The medical staff he doesn't trust and stopped listening to two weeks ago, has literally been one of the best medical staffs in the NBA with the fewest games missed to injuries.
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I hate to be that person, and I’m not arguing that the Jazz medical staff is or isn’t bad (I don’t think there’s really enough available public evidence to make that call) but using the team’s health over a season isn’t an absolute measure. The medical staff is only one small variable in that gigantic equation. It’s also one of the reasons why trying to tie physician compensation to outcomes is silly, for a myriad of reasons. The bottom line is that the medical staff only makes up a small variable here, but with lots of uncertainties and variables, it’s easier to believe that things are more neat and concrete than they are in reality, so we assume things like the training and medical staff being the largest determinants of health.
 
There's two things that give the medical staff a bad look here, from my perspective:

1: The initial reports were that Mitchell's injury was 'minor' and that he'd be week-to-week. 6 weeks later and he's missing playoff games. Mitchell, when making the comment about how he started progressing well 2 weeks ago (when he started working with his personal staff), also said the injury wasn't as minor as it was made out to be. That's a big yikes.

2: I've beaten this one to death already, but just the fact that they removed him from the injury report entirely the day before and led the entire team to believe he was playing, only to change their mind the next day, despite no setback. Either they somehow missed the possibility that he'd not be able to go, or they didn't but failed to communicate it to the team. Both are pretty bad.
 
infection said:
I hate to be that person, and I’m not arguing that the Jazz medical staff is or isn’t bad (I don’t think there’s really enough available public evidence to make that call) but using the team’s health over a season isn’t an absolute measure. The medical staff is only one small variable in that gigantic equation. It’s also one of the reasons why trying to tie physician compensation to outcomes is silly, for a myriad of reasons. The bottom line is that the medical staff only makes up a small variable here, but with lots of uncertainties and variables, it’s easier to believe that things are more neat and concrete than they are in reality, so we assume things like the training and medical staff being the largest determinants of health.
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Comparatively as far as injuries are concerned, the Jazz have been at the top of the league. No it's not a perfect evaluation, but having the fewest injuries does mean you've prepared your players well and have them ready to play. The Jazz do not have many wear and tear injuries that would be caused by crappy preparation. We can look at a lot of different things. Donovan made the whole "it started getting better about 2 weeks ago" when he switched medical staffs shot....Yes Donovan......generally the longer you give an injury time to heal the better it begins to feel.
 
MT Steve said:
There's two things that give the medical staff a bad look here, from my perspective:

1: The initial reports were that Mitchell's injury was 'minor' and that he'd be week-to-week. 6 weeks later and he's missing playoff games. Mitchell, when making the comment about how he started progressing well 2 weeks ago (when he started working with his personal staff), also said the injury wasn't as minor as it was made out to be. That's a big yikes.

2: I've beaten this one to death already, but just the fact that they removed him from the injury report entirely the day before and led the entire team to believe he was playing, only to change their mind the next day, despite no setback. Either they somehow missed the possibility that he'd not be able to go, or they didn't but failed to communicate it to the team. Both are pretty bad.
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Donovan has no track record of getting overly-emotional though right?
 
oneye said:
Donovan has no track record of getting overly-emotional though right?
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I guess you are someone who will accept an opinion and not an explanation. I need an explanation. I don't defer to someone just because they know more about something than I do. I want an explanation that makes sense, not they saw "something." WTF is something? I want a detailed explanation not only of what they saw but why they believe they mistakenly cleared him then decided against it. That's one of the problems in our society; we defer to someone because they have an advanced degree or because they are an expert, or because they're privy to secrets we aren't (like our government). No one is infallible and because of the fallout this caused, they should give an explanation of why they changed their minds.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
I guess you are someone who will accept an opinion and not an explanation. I need an explanation. I don't defer to someone just because they know more about something than I do. I want an explanation that makes sense, not they saw "something." WTF is something? I want a detailed explanation not only of what they saw but why they believe they mistakenly cleared him then decided against it. That's one of the problems in our society; we defer to someone because they have an advanced degree or because they are an expert, or because they're privy to secrets we aren't (like our government). No one is infallible and because of the fallout this caused, they should give an explanation of why they changed their minds.
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I mean, deferring to an expert is generally the most practical thing to do, but given the facts in this case, the medical staff objectively screwed up - either by mistakenly clearing him or failing to communicate the possibility that he wouldn't play.
 
I posted this in the other NBA playoff thread, but it sure fits here really well. Didn't want it to get lost in the mix.

Nope, CP3 back in, being a warrior.

Makes the Jazz response with Mitchell look even worse. Miller just said "he's going to play, and even if I was playing with a sore ankle or whatever, guys like that playing at 80 or 90% still probably better than any replacement". Not sure if that's a dig but still sums it all up pretty well.
 
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