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Bodhi said:
Was just saying this to a buddy. Yeah we are close to it because this is our team, but christ, we can NEVER get out of our own way. I put a lot of this on DL. Dude always thinks he's really slick.
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Can't wait for Spence to interview him and talk to him about the weather, Baylor basketball, and his family vacation plans for 25 minutes and then let him off the phone without answering one ****ing relevant question.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Uhh, it's 10000% on Mitchell. He's the guy who has decided to involve another medical team which is likely what is causing the confusion over the whole situation. How can anything be reported when internally there are two conflicting reports?
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Well, Donovan wanted to play and said he was ready, so it surely wasn't his team that made the decision.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Don didn't pass the balance beam test I guess...

Would be nice for some of the posters that are actual doctors could weigh in... paging @infection

Medical treatments and diagnosis could be easy to disagree on but not if this is a sprained ankle... is it a high ankle sprain... because they said it wasn't... was there additional ligament damage or some sort of fracture? There shouldn't be disagreements this strongly on a sprained ankle.
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Everything fits into individualized scenarios with many different variables and moving pieces. It's something I've tried to stress heavily on this forum on many issues because as a society we look at these things as very black and white and view things as being tight protocols. Any time I suggest things can enter decision-making that's influenced by a myriad of other issues not pertinent to the actual issue at hand, people act like I'm crazy, because from a societal point of view everything always looks all neat and tidy and all science-y where they ask the magic 8 ball and the universe spits back unadulterated truths.

That said, I have no idea what's going on here, but a disagreement in how this is managed, even amongst competent professionals, is not out of the ordinary, and I'd even argue is standard. People are going to have strong opinions. I've preached Venn-diagram influences in these decisions and absolutely nobody makes a decision they otherwise didn't have the ability to make simply by something like spite or bias. It's just that the bubble for spite and bias moves around and influences the decision to be made that's more consistent with it. This can be a very unconscious process.

I don't know if what factors into this or why said decision was actually made, but the above is completely reasonable. Never assume that there's one well laid out pathway that you follow that comes from some holy writ of medical practice. There's more uncertainly and guesswork and bias at the highest levels than anyone cares to recognize.
 
Remember when Mitchell said his injury was a lot less "minor" then everyone was led to believe?

Yeah, that's making a lot more sense now. **** our medical staff.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
If Donovan has his own medical team now it might just be that the medical staff hasnt even been able to see him until that time. The decision to remove him might have come from his people to whoever handles that, and they may have strong-armed whoever it was to take him off.
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He was cleared to practice though... right? He was cleared to scrimmage. His team can't make those calls I assume.

I'm fine with a guy getting his own medical staff if he feels the medical staff isn't performing or disagrees with their assessments. If there was obvious friction here someone from the front office should have been involved and it should not come down to a decision the day of the game. You have to anticipate this type of **** happening and there was enough smoke to see there was an issue here.

This shouldn't be black or white... if the med staff doesn't think he should play and he is pushing to play I think you find some other conditions and CYA by saying I think he should sit. Its a slippery slope though.

This is a blame pie and everyone deserves a little slice... front office should get a healthy portion for not participating enough.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
He was cleared to practice though... right? He was cleared to scrimmage. His team can't make those calls I assume.
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He was literally cleared to play (lmao!).

His team can't make those calls. The Jazz medical staff straight up botched it. Horrifically. And it left our team blindsided hours before a playoff game.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
This is a blame pie and everyone deserves a little slice... front office should get a healthy portion for not participating enough.
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Nah. DL learned from the best. I mean, we're still fighting about Sloan vs. DWill when that's a false dichotomy, and it was the FO who botched that and put those two in the situation to begin with.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
He was cleared to practice though... right? He was cleared to scrimmage. His team can't make those calls I assume.

I'm fine with a guy getting his own medical staff if he feels the medical staff isn't performing or disagrees with their assessments. If there was obvious friction here someone from the front office should have been involved and it should not come down to a decision the day of the game. You have to anticipate this type of **** happening and there was enough smoke to see there was an issue here.

This shouldn't be black or white... if the med staff doesn't think he should play and he is pushing to play I think you find some other conditions and CYA by saying I think he should sit. Its a slippery slope though.

This is a blame pie and everyone deserves a little slice... front office should get a healthy portion for not participating enough.
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The thing is the Jazz have one of the most highly respected medical staffs in the entire NBA, despite what some forum idiots want you to believe.

Mitchell is a diva. It's proven and it's a pattern. He was ready to force the team to trade Gobert over the whole covid thing because he wanted to make sure the public knew it was all Gobert's fault and not his. Now he's doing the same thing with the medical team. He wants the entire league to know he's ready to go and he isn't soft, so he's trying to force his way into playing and he's willing to throw the medical staff, one that is regarded as a top NBA medical staff, under the bus to do so.
 
Damn it. Now that this has blown up, the FO needs to come clean about this injury and what exactly was the nature of it, the seriousness of it, why it has taken so long for it to heal, were there setbacks during rehab -- stop the stupid secrecy because it is helping no one at this point, only causing friction and dissension. Look at the board now; imagine what it's doing to the players. I'll say this, if Don comes back and shows no sign of injury, then you need to fire the trainers for being arrogant fools.
 
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