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Mitt Romney wins NH straw poll

The full results:

* Mitt Romney - 97 (35.14%)
* Ron Paul - 29 (10.51%)
* Tim Pawlenty - 21 7.61%)
* Sarah Palin - 19 (6.88%)
* Michele Bachmann - 14 (5.07%)
* Jim DeMint - 14 (5.07%)
* Herman Cain - 11 (3.99%)
* Chris Christie - 9 (3.26%)
* Rick Santorum - 9 (3.26%)
* Mitch Daniels - 8 (2.90%)
* Newt Gingrich - 7 (2.54%)
* Mike Huckabee - 7 (2.54%)
* Mike Pence - 7 (2.54%)
* Rudy Giuliani - 6 (2.17%)
* Judd Gregg - 5 (1.81%)
* Gary Johnson - 5 (1.81%)
* Other - 5 (1.81%)
* Donald Trump - 3 (1.09%)
* Henry Barbour - 2 (0.72%)
* Jon Huntsman - 0 (0.00%)
* John Thune - 0 (0.00%)


What kind of Vegas odds do I get on Ginrich? That's who I think ultimately comes out on top. I hate that guy though, so I hope I'm wrong.
 
Duck Rodgers said:
The full results:

* Mitt Romney - 97 (35.14%)
* Ron Paul - 29 (10.51%)
* Tim Pawlenty - 21 7.61%)
* Sarah Palin - 19 (6.88%)
* Michele Bachmann - 14 (5.07%)
* Jim DeMint - 14 (5.07%)
* Herman Cain - 11 (3.99%)
* Chris Christie - 9 (3.26%)
* Rick Santorum - 9 (3.26%)
* Mitch Daniels - 8 (2.90%)
* Newt Gingrich - 7 (2.54%)
* Mike Huckabee - 7 (2.54%)
* Mike Pence - 7 (2.54%)
* Rudy Giuliani - 6 (2.17%)
* Judd Gregg - 5 (1.81%)
* Gary Johnson - 5 (1.81%)
* Other - 5 (1.81%)
* Donald Trump - 3 (1.09%)
* Henry Barbour - 2 (0.72%)
* Jon Huntsman - 0 (0.00%)
* John Thune - 0 (0.00%)


What kind of Vegas odds do I get on Ginrich? That's who I think ultimately comes out on top. I hate that guy though, so I hope I'm wrong.
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If I could posrep you again I would.

We're talkin about the Republican Party, right? What do straw polls mean to the movers and shakers? The way we get Republican Presidents is we have influential folks who pass the word. The media picks up the scent, and the "right" names start to rise. Pretty soon Republicans start to think it's "their" man.

On the last go-round, Pres. Bush put his influence behind Romney. Maybe still does. Newt Gingrich has some top-level connections too. Some Republicans want someone who will keep the Ship of State "on course" in a smart, centrist "Player" sort of way. But there really isn't any reason ordinary people should like him.

Reagan apparently was an exception to this process, but had to accept BushI for VP. Ron Paul is in my opinion a man of great integrity but he is definitely an "outsider". The only way he'll get on the head of the ticket is by running Libertarian or something. I happen to agree with his opposition to our overseas military interventions and our various other ways of going bankrupt to make everything right with world.

I fear that we don't realize that our institutions and systems of governance simply can't be projected across the world the way our current elites imagine they should be. Yes, they are working on building a balanced world system, but they imagine our values will be absorbed by others. That's where it will fail. Other nations and cultures will eventually project their own values, not ours.

Gingrich/Obama will be our "choice", and it won't "change" anything.
 
catratcho said:
Your idiocy never fails to amaze me. You are the one who asked if he get beat Obama. From your first post:

I responded by saying the country isn't ready for a Mormon president. I wasn't even the first one to bring it up. Another huge FAIL on your part. But then again, we're all very used to that.
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Your only insight was that he is "Mormon" and nobody wants a Mormon President. That was such riveting insight. Everyone knows he is Mormon and he is polling well and they knew he was Mormon when Massachusetts elected him their Governor. That can be overcome. His flip flopping and strategy on the economy will be where his election will come down to. The Mormon thing is such old news and people only bring it up because they have nothing else insightful to say.

Again if the Mormon thing was as big of a deal as you say it is he would have gotten destryoed last election to the point of him trying to run again would be laughable.
 
Beantown said:
Your only insight was that he is "Mormon" and nobody wants a Mormon President. That was such riveting insight. Everyone knows he is Mormon and he is polling well and they knew he was Mormon when Massachusetts elected him their Governor. That can be overcome. His flip flopping and strategy on the economy will be where his election will come down to. The Mormon thing is such old news and people only bring it up because they have nothing else insightful to say.

Again if the Mormon thing was as big of a deal as you say it is he would have gotten destryoed last election to the point of him trying to run again would be laughable.
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He won 22 straw polls for the 2008 campaign. Why is this one different?
 
Sirkickyass said:
He won 22 straw polls for the 2008 campaign. Why is this one different?
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Its not about any specific polls per say but just that he has done fairly well with this suppoosed "Mormon issue". But if the whole Mormon issue was a big of a deal as people are claiming then it would be a joke that he should even try and run again. I think if he runs we wont be hearing the whole "he's a Mormon" talk anymore because its old news. I lived in Boston for two years while he was Governor and served in his ward. People really didnt care that much that he was Mormon. They all knew he was but not many people gave it a second thought.
 
Beantown said:
Its not about any specific polls per say but just that he has done fairly well with this suppoosed "Mormon issue". But if the whole Mormon issue was a big of a deal as people are claiming then it would be a joke that he should even try and run again. I think if he runs we wont be hearing the whole "he's a Mormon" talk anymore because its old news. I lived in Boston for two years while he was Governor and served in his ward. People really didnt care that much that he was Mormon. They all knew he was but not many people gave it a second thought.
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How well has he done in the South? How well will he do after the robo calls tell potential voters that Mormons have horns, eat babies, force women to marry into plygamy and blindly follow the orders of the church president?

It hasn't gotten dirty yet, the stakes aren't that high right now.

Do you realize there was a lot of opposition to Kennedy because he was Catholic and people were afraid it would mean the Pope would run the country if he got elected? And he wasn't a Republican in an age when Republicans have injected religion into politics to solidify their base.
 
Beantown said:
Meh, the Momon stuff is out the window. We have an African American president. Race, religion and gender is not much of a factor anymore.
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Not the same at all.

Romney is wanting to represent the GOP. The GOP's base is in the south. They won't vote for a Mormon. Even if they somehow did, what about all the east and west coast states? They'll need more than just the south and Utah to win.

Honestly, outside of the Mountain West, who's going to vote Mormon?
 
Romney is fairly new on the national political scene. He ran for the Senate in the 90's, and lost, then disappeared until he was Gov of Mass, but that's the extent of his political background. I think he got a fair shake all things considered during his first run. I think people are still getting to know him in general, as much as any doubts about the potential impact of his faith. Not everybody can rise as fast as an Obama. He has been through enough secular institutions where he isn't one of those guys that wears his religion on his sleeve, so I think he's definitely electable. This isn't one of those politicians from Utah or Idaho that give the Youtube world something to talk about every once in awhile, this guy is a well oiled machine. A borderline populist at times. I think the best argument against him in round 1 was that he was too well oiled even.

The more interesting link between Romney and Mormonism is if he loses. I'll bet he clears out of politics and moves into a high church position eventually.
 
Marcus said:
First and foremost, for anyone to get excited about a straw poll is silly. These straw polls are taken at gatherings where you typically only find people involved in politics that are fairly hard core about it. Secondly, each candidate usually pays to have local supporters show up at the meeting so as to give them an advantage. The reason Romney won is because Romney made sure he had a lot of supporters at the meeting where the poll was taken. It's not like they got on the phone and polled a cross section of registered Republicans in the state.

And for those that still think it's a big deal, Romney won nearly every straw poll leading up to the '08 Republican presidential nonination. Look how well that worked out for him.

Straw polls, especially early straw polls, mean squat...

That being said, anyone who thinks Obama is taking the country in the wrong direction but would rather stay home and not vote for a Mormon and leave Obama in power gets everything they deserves for not being able to overcome their personal biases.
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Everyone after this post pretty much said the same thing. I may as well say the same thing again and be part of the group.
 
Hey Marcus why does your sig say Ronald Regan instead of "Reagan"? Is it a different guy or some type of inside joke or something?
 
Beantown said:
Hey Marcus why does your sig say Ronald Regan instead of "Reagan"? Is it a different guy or some type of inside joke or something?
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I attended the "Archie Moses School of Spelling". These minor glitches are to be expected. Cut me some slack. I am dyslexic/a poor student/don't care/stupid/have an eye injury/etc.
 
You guys are severely underrating how quickly Republicans will abandon their beliefs if they think it will hurt Democrats in any way. The whole being-a-Mormon and constantly-flip-flopping issue will just kinda fade away as long as Mittens talks about how much Obama hates America.
 
Marcus said:
I attended the "Archie Moses School of Spelling". These minor glitches are to be expected. Cut me some slack. I am dyslexic/a poor student/don't care/stupid/have an eye injury/etc.
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Oh ok, I wasn't being a smart *** or a spelling nazi. Just curious. I misspell all the time.
 
DeliveryBoy said:
You guys are severely underrating how quickly Republicans will abandon their beliefs if they think it will hurt Democrats in any way. The whole being-a-Mormon and constantly-flip-flopping issue will just kinda fade away as long as Mittens talks about how much Obama hates America.
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flip/flop can be cute. With a smile like Mitt's and a rep for business and state medcare. . . . I haven't been paying attention, but I could imagine Bush and some other Republicans backing Mitt. . . . let's coin the term SlickMitty here. . . . because he will re-do Obamacare and America will sigh in relief and accept his version of state-managed medical care. Maybe some BigPharma/BigMed money backing him.
 
DeliveryBoy said:
You guys are severely underrating how quickly Republicans will abandon their beliefs if they think it will hurt Democrats in any way. The whole being-a-Mormon and constantly-flip-flopping issue will just kinda fade away as long as Mittens talks about how much Obama hates America.
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Meh the republicans and democrats all do the same thing, anything they can outside of any moral restraint to hurt the other side. All that matters is that the next republican/democrat get elected, who cares about what is actually best for the country.


I still do not think they can get any groundswell big enough to overcome "big religion" in getting Mitt the nomination.

Although I have been a fan of sometime of having a true businessman running the country for a while (GW didn't count as he fell into all of his deals). I think that is the only way to drive some fiscal accountabillity and best use of resources for once. Any more the country ends up being run to get the next guy elected rather than to do anything of substance. I think a truly business savvy president would turn that on it's ear and at least be less inept than GW or Obama both have been.
 
Beantown said:
Not a huge surprise but it was a surprise by how much he won by. He got 35% and Ron Paul came in second at only 11%. Also it was interesting how bad Huckabee did. Its way too early but.......

Could Romney get the nomination?

Any chance he could beat Obama?
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I think it is all about name recognition for this Romney win.
I think he would be a great president because of his leadership ability.
His strengths would be the economy which is most people's top concern @ the moment.
His Mormonism wouldn't be as big a deal as long as Huckabee or someone like him didn't run and take away the Southern Christian vote.
His weakness is that he signed the mandatory health insurance law in Mass. which is too much like Obamacare, but he could get around that by supporting repeal.
He isn't a flip-flopper as the leftist media suggests. The only thing that you could make that claim on is the abortion issue...and he only said Massachusetts was a pro-choice state and that he would not seek to change laws on abortion.

If Romney were to win the nomination I think Obama would be reluctant to bring up the weird religion thing because of his own issues with religion.

Right now I would support Chris Christie and a few other fiscal conservative Governors.

The unfortunate thing is that Republican primary process will always elect the worst possible candidate because the initial primary states are all liberal.
 
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