None of the post was my words or opinions. It was thriller’s response to the politically-motivated attempted murder of congressional republicans and the shooting of Steve Scalise.
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So then you do think the attack might have had something to do with politics and you were just trying to play a game of “gotcha”?
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Yes. Nothing has changed since 2017. All pegs are square. Excellent point.
The mere fact that you have to go 5 years into the past to “get me” when all I have to do is look up what the former president is saying and see what violence he’s inciting on his social media platform today, sort of undermines your point.
Just this week:
View: https://twitter.com/brianklaas/status/1586098944417075201?s=46&t=vEgvmh26QE4emdmSnypqeA
But sure some guy shot Steve Scalise and was motivated by… someone? 5 years ago or something something. Was MSNBC targeting Scalise like Fox News and trump have targeted Pelosi? Was Obama giving credibility to some Qanon like cult? Was he claiming daily on social media and at political rallies that the election in 2016 had been stolen?
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It’s amazing the amount of deflection folks on the right use to downplay the god awful situation our country is in right now with right wing disinformation, cruelty, and authoritarianism rampant.
Most Republicans don’t believe Biden won in 2020. Most candidates are campaigning on Qanon, the Big Lie, and glorify the insurrection on Jan 6. Daily we hear that Biden isn’t the president but is a puppet for pedophiles and Jewish bankers. We have RW media and politicians cozying up to brazen white supremacists and touting white replacement theory. We have anti vax sludge spewed on the daily. Inflammatory rhetoric that would’ve been considered completely out of bounds just 5 or 10 years ago. And even “moderate conservatives” engage in whataboutism rather than admit that their side has a dangerous problem.
It’s just amazing.
Most Republicans don’t believe Biden won in 2020. Most candidates are campaigning on Qanon, the Big Lie, and glorify the insurrection on Jan 6. Daily we hear that Biden isn’t the president but is a puppet for pedophiles and Jewish bankers. We have RW media and politicians cozying up to brazen white supremacists and touting white replacement theory. We have anti vax sludge spewed on the daily. Inflammatory rhetoric that would’ve been considered completely out of bounds just 5 or 10 years ago. And even “moderate conservatives” engage in whataboutism rather than admit that their side has a dangerous problem.
It’s just amazing.
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Well played.
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It was a commentary on one particular poster, but could have easily applied to a number of people here, who have morphed into ideological balls of hate, not see people as people, but as belonging to this or that team. If it is this team that does a thing then whatever act is to be explained away, but if it is that team then it is proof that every member of the team is the worst kind of evil.
I think the guy who entered the Pelosi's home with the intent to kill is evil. I think the guy who shot Scalise is evil. I think the guy who intended to kill justice Kavanaugh is evil. That doesn't mean that all on the political left or the political right are in that same category. At the same time, it doesn't mean these actions are disconnected from the current political climate or the fault of COVID infection.
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I know. You just misread what I wrote: “But the clown Aaron Rupar quoted wondered why he was not treated like anybody else who slammed somebody on the skull with a hammer”. I was not calling Rupar the clown, but the Fox commentator Rupar showed speaking in the clip. I can see how the confusion occurred however. I caused it. I should have added one simple word: But the clown THAT Aaron Rupar quoted. My bad…
The last right-wing poster you called out was ... ?
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Actually, should it not go without saying, even, that the attacker was mentally disturbed? Of course he was. But, it’s when you look at his postings, his writings, that one sees, that, apart from any other causes of his mental imbalance, he seems very clearly to have immersed himself in a far right ecosystem of hatred of Democratic politicians, with the usual collection of completely irrational conspiratorial nonsense endemic to the far right ecosystem. In other words, of course there was a political motivation.
www.washingtonexaminer.com
Addressing the issue raised here that Republicans are somehow being universally and irrevocably branded as evil. At any given time in our history, one political party or the other may be more guilty of being “in the wrong” on issues, the use of inappropriate rhetoric, etc. Those of us who firmly believe the Republican Party is encouraging hateful rhetoric to be normalized, and who are simply pointing out that the GOP is mainlining groups and ideas that are inimical and dangerous to our democracy should be able to do so without being accused of somehow forgetting we are all human beings, and guilty of accusing everyone on the right as evil. I know I am not demonizing adherents to the MAGA movement. I do believe they are deluded, awash in conspiracism to the point conspiracism is their default thinking mode, but they’re human beings. I have friends in that camp. I feel badly for them, I don’t hate them.
Maybe Thriller goes overboard with his anger. Well, yes, he does. But, I see it as a righteous anger, given the dangers, plainly apparent from history, when democracies trend toward fascism. Of course he’s alarmed. He’s frantic to get his points across because he clearly understands history. And here is one damn good reason why any of us seeing the Republican Party as embracing anti-democratic policies can feel frustrated about the future of democracy in America:
View: https://twitter.com/RSI/status/1586416072751779842
This was before Greene was elected to Congress, but she’s been no better since. The Pelosi attacker was clearly influenced by QAnon, however he interpreted it in his deranged mind, and QAnon has long since entered the Republican mainstream. Maybe some liberals/Democrats have been influenced by it, but they must be few in number. This is coming from a far right ecosystem, and sorry if conservatives object, but it is being mainstreamed by the Republican Party, which is assisting in that party drifting away from, are you ready?….from REALITY! And that is clearly not good for our body politic. The Big Lie embraces a retreat from REALITY! And we should not point this out??!! I will. Every time. It’s why the Republican Party is dangerous right now, and calling them out for it is the right thing to do, not something to be criticized….
Republican Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene repeatedly indicated support for executing prominent Democratic politicians in 2018 and 2019 before being elected to Congress, a CNN KFile review of hundreds of posts and comments from Greene’s Facebook page shows.
Greene, who represents Georgia’s 14th Congressional District, frequently posted far-right extremist and debunked conspiracy theories on her page, including the baseless QAnon conspiracy which casts former President Donald Trump in an imagined battle against a sinister cabal of Democrats and celebrities who abuse children.
In one post, from January 2019, Greene liked a comment that said “a bullet to the head would be quicker” to remove House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. In other posts, Greene liked comments about executing FBI agents who, in her eyes, were part of the “deep state” working against Trump.
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Those of you enamored of whataboutism and bothsidesism, more Liz Cheney’s and less Marge Greene’s would be a good thing to aim for moving forward….
View: https://twitter.com/btrekman1/status/1586340926158704640
Paul Pelosi attacker David DePape posted about QAnon conspiracy theories ahead of assault
David DePape, the man accused of beating Paul Pelosi over the head with a hammer, appears to have made a number of online posts referencing the QAnon
www.washingtonexaminer.com
Addressing the issue raised here that Republicans are somehow being universally and irrevocably branded as evil. At any given time in our history, one political party or the other may be more guilty of being “in the wrong” on issues, the use of inappropriate rhetoric, etc. Those of us who firmly believe the Republican Party is encouraging hateful rhetoric to be normalized, and who are simply pointing out that the GOP is mainlining groups and ideas that are inimical and dangerous to our democracy should be able to do so without being accused of somehow forgetting we are all human beings, and guilty of accusing everyone on the right as evil. I know I am not demonizing adherents to the MAGA movement. I do believe they are deluded, awash in conspiracism to the point conspiracism is their default thinking mode, but they’re human beings. I have friends in that camp. I feel badly for them, I don’t hate them.
Maybe Thriller goes overboard with his anger. Well, yes, he does. But, I see it as a righteous anger, given the dangers, plainly apparent from history, when democracies trend toward fascism. Of course he’s alarmed. He’s frantic to get his points across because he clearly understands history. And here is one damn good reason why any of us seeing the Republican Party as embracing anti-democratic policies can feel frustrated about the future of democracy in America:
View: https://twitter.com/RSI/status/1586416072751779842
This was before Greene was elected to Congress, but she’s been no better since. The Pelosi attacker was clearly influenced by QAnon, however he interpreted it in his deranged mind, and QAnon has long since entered the Republican mainstream. Maybe some liberals/Democrats have been influenced by it, but they must be few in number. This is coming from a far right ecosystem, and sorry if conservatives object, but it is being mainstreamed by the Republican Party, which is assisting in that party drifting away from, are you ready?….from REALITY! And that is clearly not good for our body politic. The Big Lie embraces a retreat from REALITY! And we should not point this out??!! I will. Every time. It’s why the Republican Party is dangerous right now, and calling them out for it is the right thing to do, not something to be criticized….
Republican Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene repeatedly indicated support for executing prominent Democratic politicians in 2018 and 2019 before being elected to Congress, a CNN KFile review of hundreds of posts and comments from Greene’s Facebook page shows.
Greene, who represents Georgia’s 14th Congressional District, frequently posted far-right extremist and debunked conspiracy theories on her page, including the baseless QAnon conspiracy which casts former President Donald Trump in an imagined battle against a sinister cabal of Democrats and celebrities who abuse children.
In one post, from January 2019, Greene liked a comment that said “a bullet to the head would be quicker” to remove House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. In other posts, Greene liked comments about executing FBI agents who, in her eyes, were part of the “deep state” working against Trump.
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Those of you enamored of whataboutism and bothsidesism, more Liz Cheney’s and less Marge Greene’s would be a good thing to aim for moving forward….
View: https://twitter.com/btrekman1/status/1586340926158704640
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A very timely piece. And Frum isn’t a liberal either.
www.theatlantic.com
Only the GOP Celebrates Political Violence
“Paul Pelosi is the latest to pay a blood price for the cult of violence,” writes @davidfrum. “It won’t stop, but it must stop."
www.theatlantic.com
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Actually, should it not go without saying, even, that the attacker was mentally disturbed? Of course he was. But, it’s when you look at his postings, his writings, that one sees, that, apart from any other causes of his mental imbalance, he seems very clearly to have immersed himself in a far right ecosystem of hatred of Democratic politicians, with the usual collection of completely irrational conspiratorial nonsense endemic to the far right ecosystem. In other words, of course there was a political motivation.
Paul Pelosi attacker David DePape posted about QAnon conspiracy theories ahead of assault
David DePape, the man accused of beating Paul Pelosi over the head with a hammer, appears to have made a number of online posts referencing the QAnon
Addressing the issue raised here that Republicans are somehow being universally and irrevocably branded as evil. At any given time in our history, one political party or the other may be more guilty of being “in the wrong” on issues, the use of inappropriate rhetoric, etc. Those of us who firmly believe the Republican Party is encouraging hateful rhetoric to be normalized, and who are simply pointing out that the GOP is mainlining groups and ideas that are inimical and dangerous to our democracy should be able to do so without being accused of somehow forgetting we are all human beings, and guilty of accusing everyone on the right as evil. I know I am not demonizing adherents to the MAGA movement. I do believe they are deluded, awash in conspiracism to the point conspiracism is their default thinking mode, but they’re human beings. I have friends in that camp. I feel badly for them, I don’t hate them.
Maybe Thriller goes overboard with his anger. Well, yes, he does. But, I see it as a righteous anger, given the dangers, plainly apparent from history, when democracies trend toward fascism. Of course he’s alarmed. He’s frantic to get his points across because he clearly understands history. And here is one damn good reason why any of us seeing the Republican Party as embracing anti-democratic policies can feel frustrated about the future of democracy in America:
View: https://twitter.com/RSI/status/1586416072751779842
This was before Greene was elected to Congress, but she’s been no better since. The Pelosi attacker was clearly influenced by QAnon, however he interpreted it in his deranged mind, and QAnon has long since entered the Republican mainstream. Maybe some liberals/Democrats have been influenced by it, but they must be few in number. This is coming from a far right ecosystem, and sorry if conservatives object, but it is being mainstreamed by the Republican Party, which is assisting in that party drifting away from, are you ready?….from REALITY! And that is clearly not good for our body politic. The Big Lie embraces a retreat from REALITY! And we should not point this out??!! I will. Every time. It’s why the Republican Party is dangerous right now, and calling them out for it is the right thing to do, not something to be criticized….
Republican Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene repeatedly indicated support for executing prominent Democratic politicians in 2018 and 2019 before being elected to Congress, a CNN KFile review of hundreds of posts and comments from Greene’s Facebook page shows.
Greene, who represents Georgia’s 14th Congressional District, frequently posted far-right extremist and debunked conspiracy theories on her page, including the baseless QAnon conspiracy which casts former President Donald Trump in an imagined battle against a sinister cabal of Democrats and celebrities who abuse children.
In one post, from January 2019, Greene liked a comment that said “a bullet to the head would be quicker” to remove House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. In other posts, Greene liked comments about executing FBI agents who, in her eyes, were part of the “deep state” working against Trump.
——————————————————————————————-
Those of you enamored of whataboutism and bothsidesism, more Liz Cheney’s and less Marge Greene’s would be a good thing to aim for moving forward….
View: https://twitter.com/btrekman1/status/1586340926158704640
Exactly. And its obvious.
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