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What do you all think about the feds now compiling info from multiple federal agencies to expand/create a "no fly list" for guns?
I don't know what you're talking about.
 
I don't know what you're talking about.

Hidden in all the Executive Actions is a requirement for federal agencies to supply "relevant info" to an FBI database. That database is used to identify who cannot buy, own or transport a weapon. The Executive Action increased the number of agencies that are contributing info. Basically a "No Fly" list for guns.

What is unknown is what the threshold to make that list is. So either this Executive Action increased that list (what I believe) or created it (I think it already existed).
 
Okay, so I will disregard the brow beatings over being unwilling to accept reasonable regulation as disingenuous.

I would say its the anti-gun control's inability or lack of will to accept reasonable regulation is what has made this an ideological issue instead of a common sense policy issue, much like other wedge issues in this country. Just because the issue is politicized not does excuse inaction, in fact its made federal intervention a requirement at this point since one side refuses to come to the table.
 
What do you all think about the feds now compiling info from multiple federal agencies to expand/create a "no fly list" for guns?

I have no problem with this premise, if the intent is to more easily identify persons who are not allowed to possess firearms. I might have a problem with who decides how, when and why to "expand" it. If there is a firm set of reasonable criteria, fine. If it's any more subjective or arbitrary than that, not fine.


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I have no problem with this premise, if the intent is to more easily identify persons who are not allowed to possess firearms. I might have a problem with who decides how, when and why to "expand" it. If there is a firm set of reasonable criteria, fine. If it's any more subjective or arbitrary than that, not fine.


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Kind of where I am at. The theory is good but the practice might be wanting.
 
Kind of where I am at. The theory is good but the practice might be wanting.

whoa. . . . .

An armed militia with its own legislative perogatives, it's own administrative courts, and plenary power to compile lists of citizens who can't be trusted, that nobody can investigate, question, or talk about without being labeled suspicious or dangerous?

you gonna give them badges, and big toys along with all the guns money can buy?

So how's that OK? They can arbitrarily come swat down your down and haul you off to their own prison, hold you as long as they want without telling anyone where you are, or charging you with any crime, or allowing you to get a lawyer, and interrogate you with torture applied because they're there to make sure we're all safe?

The "no fly list" and the "no guns list" are actually denying people the right to travel, and the right to protect themselves, according to bureaucrats who can't be questioned about their reasons or legal basis for doing so.

If you imagine that "the theory is good" here, and imagine it won't be abused, rest assured that the jackboot thugs will be getting all the "practice" they want. Well. sure, they might not start out practicing on you, but after every other identifiable or classifiable "risk group" they can imagine has been "practiced on", who's gonna tell them not to practice on you, too.
 
whoa. . . . .

An armed militia with its own legislative perogatives, it's own administrative courts, and plenary power to compile lists of citizens who can't be trusted, that nobody can investigate, question, or talk about without being labeled suspicious or dangerous?

you gonna give them badges, and big toys along with all the guns money can buy?

So how's that OK? They can arbitrarily come swat down your down and haul you off to their own prison, hold you as long as they want without telling anyone where you are, or charging you with any crime, or allowing you to get a lawyer, and interrogate you with torture applied because they're there to make sure we're all safe?

The "no fly list" and the "no guns list" are actually denying people the right to travel, and the right to protect themselves, according to bureaucrats who can't be questioned about their reasons or legal basis for doing so.

If you imagine that "the theory is good" here, and imagine it won't be abused, rest assured that the jackboot thugs will be getting all the "practice" they want. Well. sure, they might not start out practicing on you, but after every other identifiable or classifiable "risk group" they can imagine has been "practiced on", who's gonna tell them not to practice on you, too.

That's where the whole "practice might be wanting" comes in Babe.

Calm yourself. But clearly there are some people that shouldn't have guns.
 
That's where the whole "practice might be wanting" comes in Babe.

Calm yourself. But clearly there are some people that shouldn't have guns.

yah, I know.

IRS administrators who flagrantly abuse their office to deter certain classes of political activists. FBI directors who have done as much since the fifties. Lawless Presidents with pens and phones who assume legislative powers. Presidentially-appointed Justice Dept. officials who won't prosecute Executive abuses, federal agency illegal "laws" and "courts" all of which benefit from a solid front "news" monopoly that gives it all a blank slate.

If you want a government at all, you need to take responsibility for it. Take some classes on how to handle a government safely so it doesn't get outta hand. Giving guns to lawless people with government authority is worse than giving a full automatic military machine gun to your six-year old and saying "Have fun kids. You can do no wrong."

Federal or State or even local law enforcement officers need to held to a higher standard of defined rules/laws about the use of guns, or their powers of any kind. People need to supervise their government or they are irresponsible with deadly weapons. Period.

No one can be allowed or tolerated to stand above the law.
 
yah, I know.

IRS administrators who flagrantly abuse their office to deter certain classes of political activists. FBI directors who have done as much since the fifties. Lawless Presidents with pens and phones who assume legislative powers. Presidentially-appointed Justice Dept. officials who won't prosecute Executive abuses, federal agency illegal "laws" and "courts" all of which benefit from a solid front "news" monopoly that gives it all a blank slate.

If you want a government at all, you need to take responsibility for it. Take some classes on how to handle a government safely so it doesn't get outta hand. Giving guns to lawless people with government authority is worse than giving a full automatic military machine gun to your six-year old and saying "Have fun kids. You can do no wrong."

Federal or State or even local law enforcement officers need to held to a higher standard of defined rules/laws about the use of guns, or their powers of any kind. People need to supervise their government or they are irresponsible with deadly weapons. Period.

No one can be allowed or tolerated to stand above the law.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BERd61bDY7k
 
Too bad I'm not able to be so cool with only my iPad mini at hand. technically, I could go all pic crazy and report this as sexual innuendo, but I know I'd be laughed at, I'm just a fossil.
 
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