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My argument for the death penalty...

Hopper said:
I knew better than to think for one second that you would respond intelligently, but I still gave you the chance. Good-bye, Biley.
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I can't resist. Intelligence is quoting Aunt Judy? I'll read over the Princeton link later, but that's a drop in the bucket relative to your mission. You needed to prove a lot more than that. And we're only gaming a tiny part of the entire issue on this. This is going to be a thread of endless joy for me. Good-Bye, aint.
 
billyshelby said:
Intelligence is quoting Aunt Judy? You needed to prove a lot more than that. And we're only gaming a tiny part of the entire issue on this. This is going to be a thread of endless joy for me.
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Don't git me wrong, Biley, I don't wanna discourage ya. I git as much amusment and entertainment from your over-wrought displays of malice, slander, insecurity, and mental incompetence as the next guy, I'm sure. But don't expect any serious response to it from my ***. It just don't merit it, eh?

That said, I will take a minute, for the benefit of anyone who may have been misled (not your benefit, you're beyond help, I figure), to correct your absurd mischaracterizations of the Criminal Justice Legal Foundation (CJLF).

"CJLF attorneys introduce scholarly friend of the court briefs in criminal cases before the state and federal courts of appeals to encourage precedent-setting decisions which recognize the constitutional rights of victims and law-abiding society... Since 1989, with a fraction of the annual operating funds spent by civil liberties groups, the Foundation has maintained the best win/loss record before the United States Supreme Court of any public interest law organization in America."
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"CJLF does more for the sensible administration of our justice system per dollar of support than any other public interest group of which I am aware." (Retired CA Supreme Court Justice Marcus Kaufman)
 
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billyshelby said:
["barbarism"] could also mean a government apparatus that condemns killing but reserves the right to kill itself under 'justifiable circumstances.' I don't get, and will never get, the message that sends.
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I guess mebbe some peoples aint heard, eh?:

"There are 4 kinds of Homicide: felonious, excusable, justifiable, and praiseworthy.” (Ambrose Bierce)
 
BabyPeterzz said:
You know seeking the death penalty and the actual execution costs more than incarcerating a prisoner for life right?

I would choose the most graphic execution for myself possible. Probably being drawn and quartered. But that would be if I agreed with state sponsored killing.
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I had no idea, how could that be? 1 Bullet is cheap while life in prison you have to feed and house those demonpeople.
 
Hopper said:
Don't git me wrong, Biley, I don't wanna discourage ya. I git as much amusment and entertainment from your over-wrought displays of malice, slander, insecurity, and mental incompetence as the next guy, I'm sure. But don't expect any serious response to it from my ***. It just don't merit it, eh?

That said, I will take a minute, for the benefit of anyone who may have been misled (not your benefit, you're beyond help, I figure), to correct your absurd mischaracterizations of the Criminal Justice Legal Foundation (CJLF).

"CJLF attorneys introduce scholarly friend of the court briefs in criminal cases before the state and federal courts of appeals to encourage precedent-setting decisions which recognize the constitutional rights of victims and law-abiding society... Since 1989, with a fraction of the annual operating funds spent by civil liberties groups, the Foundation has maintained the best win/loss record before the United States Supreme Court of any public interest law organization in America."
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"CJLF does more for the sensible administration of our justice system per dollar of support than any other public interest group of which I am aware." (Retired CA Supreme Court Justice Marcus Kaufman)
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I owe you an apology here. I checked out this organization and they're legit. I don't agree with their ideology, of course, but they're fighting their fight.
 
Hopper said:
I was wrong before when I said I was wrong. Turns out I was right. Ya caint read so good.
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You should actually read the study (studies). The first one you linked references the second one you linked.

The first claims the death penalty will "probably" result in more cases going to trial. It acknowledges the limitations of its own study--a single year, decades ago, in a small sample. It is primarily concerned with the monetary implications of the death penalty, and concedes that 'more research' has to be done regarding costs. Multiple studies have provided this research, but naturally they disagree.

The second (relative to New York) is stronger, or at least more comprehensive. It states there is no correlation between the death penalty and cases going to trial. To oversimplify, its position is that the death penalty increases the DA's bargaining position relative to terms, ie. more defendants being tried on their original charges as opposed to lesser charges to whatever degree.

We're splitting hairs here, anyway. Plea bargaining power is one of the tinier components of the argument on either side. I wouldn't care if it cost eleventy billion dollars to try every case. There are sunk costs in life. The cost of housing inmates, or paying for their trials, is one of them. We're not trying to build the most cost effective justice system. We're trying to build the fairest. If we can make fair more cost effective, great. (Cue the tired refrain about how innocent people locked up for life isn't fair.)
 
Hopper said:
Don't git me wrong, Biley, I don't wanna discourage ya. I git as much amusment and entertainment from your over-wrought displays of malice, slander, insecurity, and mental incompetence as the next guy, I'm sure. But don't expect any serious response to it from my ***. It just don't merit it, eh?
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To the charge of malice, I plead innocent, except as it relates to your position.

To the charge of slander, I plead guilty. I'm also countersuing for your very hurtful, immensely painful desecration of my name. My lawyer's attorney will be in contact with your public defender.

To the charge of mental incompetence I plead very guilty. This whole thread is like quicksand and I'm sure that on page 4,942 I will have ordered my first pitchfork. By page 5,973, I hope to have attended my first execution. And by page 6,237, my dream is I will have used that pitchfork to stab the dead head of a very guilty person. All in the name of justice.

I wasn't sure how I would plea on the charge of insecurity. But having given it a lot of thought, to say nothing of hours really looking at myself in the mirror, I'll plead guilty to that, too. Deep down, I want to be more like you. So can you recommend a good cartoon character I can start posting as? Thanks in advance, your pal billyshelby.
 
LiemD said:
I had no idea, how could that be? 1 Bullet is cheap while life in prison you have to feed and house those demonpeople.
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The increased costs of the death penalty are primarily legal. A death penalty case involves several additional phases that an ordinary case doesn't (even an LWOP case.) It requires additional lawyers who don't work for free. At the prison level, death row requires more security (ratios of guard to prisoner are going to be higher on death row than for the general population, as just one component.)

A more thorough explanation can be found here: https://www.ccfaj.org/index.html (click the 'click here' link and refer to page 154 of the report. If you're so inclined, that entire section is pretty interesting.)

More thorough examinations of costs in several other states can be found on the link that aint so graciously provided: https://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty
 
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