My argument for the death penalty...

[sirkickyass]

Not when the death penalty is involved. Death penalty cases are tried based on pre-meditation knowing that you are in fact going to take a life. If you walk in on your wife banging the neighbor and kill said neighbor on the spot you will not be tried for the death penalty. It was not pre-meditated but rather a "crime of passion".

Conversely, if you walk in on your wife and the neighbor and then turn away and begin planning your neighbors demise and carry out said plan, you may be eligible for the death penalty.

Death penalty is all about pre-meditation. This is why I'm curious to see how they charge the Sloops. The prosecuters would have to show that the Sloops planned and then knowingly set out to kill that little 4 year old to get the death penalty. I suspect that they will likely get life in prison where other inmates will carry out the death sentence.

Misinformation. Premeditation is NOT a required element for the death penalty.

In Utah, the death penalty is punishment for Aggravated Murder. This includes several possible offenses that don't involve premeditated killing or could be done in the spur of the moment. For example, the killing of a police officer qualifies regardless of premeditation. The inclusion of the felony murder rule into the aggravated murder statute also means that many unintentional deaths that occur incident to the commission of another crime could also trigger the death penalty.

Here's the Utah Aggravated Murder statute: https://le.utah.gov/~code/TITLE76/htm/76_05_020200.htm

Several states allow for the death penalty for offenses short of the killing of another.

https://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/death-penalty-offenses-other-murder

But thanks for telling us what you learned from watching Law and Order re-runs on A&E.

 

[TroutBum]

<---- Loves Law & Order

 

[VINYLONE]

Because, you know, pennies of Viny's taxes are worth more than a human life.

The internet consistently reminds me that America is quickly becoming the place where the most treasured right guaranteed by the Constitution is the right to not give a damn about anyone else.

For those of us that believe that as individuals we're only healthy to the extent that our ideas are humane, this is a very depressing state of affairs.

Your holier than thou attitude is off putting.

 

[TroutBum]

Your holier than thou attitude is off putting.

But he's right, you know.

 

[VINYLONE]

Painting me as someone who does not care about anyone else is laughable. So, no, he is not right.

 

[sirkickyass]

Your holier than thou attitude is off putting.

Even if I were to make extremely generous assumptions, such as that the additional cost of a single death row inmate is $100,000/yr and that your personal contribution to California income taxes is $10,000/yr, it comes down to you saying that a human life isn't worth 1.1 cents a year to you.

It's not hard to be holier than that.

I don't care who it is. 1 cent a year dude.


1 cent.

 

[TroutBum]

Even if I were to make extremely generous assumptions, such as that the additional cost of a single death row inmate is $100,000/yr and that your personal contribution to California income taxes is $10,000/yr, it comes down to you saying that a human life isn't worth 1.1 cents a year to you.

It's not hard to be holier than that.

See what I mean, Shrimp?

 

[VINYLONE]

Even if I were to make extremely generous assumptions, such as that the additional cost of a single death row inmate is $100,000/yr and that your personal contribution to California income taxes is $10,000/yr, it comes down to you saying that a human life isn't worth 1.1 cents a year to you.

It's not hard to be holier than that.

I don't care who it is. 1 cent a year dude.


1 cent.

So what's your argument, that the appeals process should go on indefinitely?

 

[sirkickyass]

No. I only have to argue for the status quo to prove my point here. You said that you would be in favor of streamlining the appeals process for financial savings, hastening death for those convicted of capital crimes regardless of their actual innocence or guilt because the appeals process is shortened for everyone. That position literally accords the value of human life (insofar as you are willing to pay for it) to near zero.

Congrats, you're a monster.

 

[TroutBum]

No. I only have to argue for the status quo to prove my point here. You said that you would be in favor of streamlining the appeals process for financial savings. That position literally accords the value of human life (insofar as you are willing to pay for it) to near zero.

Congrats, you're a monster.

A very short, unassuming, and girly looking monster.

 

[Hopper]

it comes down to you saying that a human life isn't worth 1.1 cents a year to you.

Yeah, Vinny. Sayin ya wanna streamline a cumbersome, inefficient, wasteful process is sayin ya just don't "value human life," especially those of vicious killers, caincha see?

 

[sirkickyass]

Just so we're clear here. Viny could purchase the album "13 songs" by Fugazi from Amazon.com for $11.97. Alternatively he could choose to house at least 12 death row inmates for 100 years (the rest of their natural lives, presumably) for the same amount of money.

To Viny, 13 songs > 12 lives.