My argument for the death penalty...

[Scat]

Here's the problem, though, see? Even if you wuz 100% certain Gardner done it, like if one million people seen him do it and recorded it all on video, there could STILL be some other guy, some other time, who didn't do what he was accused of. For that reason you CANNOT justifiably execute this Gardner guy. Surely any fool can see the logic there, eh?

That's retarded logic. You could use that argument for any crime. You cannot justifiably incarcerate any criminal because there are some people that may be incarcerated that should not be. See how that works?

 

[Hopper]

That's retarded logic. You could use that argument for any crime. You cannot justifiably incarcerate any criminal because there are some people that may be incarcerated that should not be. See how that works?

Well....uhm....ya see...it's like....

OK, OK, now that ya mention it, I guess I do. Mebbe sumbuddy should autta tell Biley.

 

[Hopper]

Ya know, sumtimes I get to wonderin: Is the PC indoctrination so strong these here days that people will say anything they think they're "supposed" to say, even when they don't believe it for one second? Ya remember that fool, wuzzhizname, Dukakis, or sumthin, who ran for Pres a while back?

When axxed, he said he would not want to see someone who raped and strangled his wife and daughters git the death penalty. He lost all hope for election the second he said it, of course. Zup wit dat?

“That we should practice what we preach is generally admitted; but anyone who preaches what he and his hearers practice must incur the gravest moral disapprobation.” (Sumperv)

 

[Hopper]

...any forced death is going to inflict some pain. I think the US has done a great job of minimizing that.... The guillotine is not used.

Actually, the guillotine was specifically designed to provide an instantaneous, painless, form of execution. The problem here is not with what the criminal feels, but what squeamish observers think, and wring their hands about.

 

[Loki]

Actually, the guillotine was specifically designed to provide an instantaneous, painless, form of execution. The problem here is not with what the criminal feels, but what squeamish observers think, and wring their hands about.

I've always wondered about that. How do we know that getting your head chopped off is painless? Has anyone asked the head really quickly before it died? Has anyone ever survived a guillotine accident or come back from the dead after getting their head chopped off?
As far as anybody knows a guillotine could be the worst form of execution and the most painful. It just happens to be relatively quick.

 

[Hopper]

Loki, some guy, way back when, told his homey that if he could see, think, or feel anything, he would wink after his sorry head hit the basket. Didn't happen. True story, dat.

 

[Hopper]

If I seen some guy gitz guillotined I would probably only be thinkin one thang, to wit:

I'm glad it's his ***, there, not mine.

 

[sirkickyass]

Loki, some guy, way back when, told his homey that if he could see, think, or feel anything, he would wink after his sorry head hit the basket. Didn't happen. True story, dat.

All evidence regarding how long it takes somone to die or the amount of pain inflicted through the guillotine is inherently speculative and/or anecdotal.

For example one 1905 account discusses the impression that the severed head could still hear its name being called and respond through eye-movement.

https://www.guillotine.dk/Pages/30sek.html

Another, probably more apocryphal, instance describes a reaction to physical stimuli after the severing of the head.

After her decapitation, a man named Legros lifted her head from the basket and slapped it on the cheek. Witnesses report an expression of "unequivocal indignation" on her face when her cheek was slapped. This slap was considered unacceptable and Legros was imprisoned for three months because of his outburst.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte_Corday

 

[billyshelby]

Ya know, sumtimes I get to wonderin: Is the PC indoctrination so strong these here days that people will say anything they think they're "supposed" to say, even when they don't believe it for one second? Ya remember that fool, wuzzhizname, Dukakis, or sumthin, who ran for Pres a while back?

When axxed, he said he would not want to see someone who raped and strangled his wife and daughters git the death penalty. He lost all hope for election the second he said it, of course. Zup wit dat?

“That we should practice what we preach is generally admitted; but anyone who preaches what he and his hearers practice must incur the gravest moral disapprobation.” (Sumperv)

A simple question: When your son is falsely convicted for the 'strangulation of someone's wife and daughters,' do you accept his being put to death as an unfortunate by-product of the death penalty?

(Cue the evade and obfuscate response to distort the language without actually addressing the question)

 

[Hopper]

Well, Kicky, if ya wanna go quotin wiki, ya coulda throwed this in, eh?

"At worst, it seems that the massive drop in cerebral blood pressure would cause a victim to lose consciousness in several seconds.[17]

17. Excerpt from British Medical Journal, Vol 294: February, 1987, quoting Proges Medical of 9 July 1886, on the subject of research into "living heads".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillotine

 

[Hopper]

A simple question: When your son is falsely convicted for the 'strangulation of someone's wife and daughters,' do you accept his being put to death as an unfortunate by-product of the death penalty?

I thought you were "out," Biley, without even havin the courtesy to leave me a red rep hit in your wake, eh? Probably aint nuthin good that don't carry some "unfortunate by-products" with them, ya know? I mean, like, eat yourself a big-*** steak dinner and, before long, it aint nuthin but a steamin pile of crap, ya know? That can't be the onliest question to ax. Cars can, and have been, used to murder peoples. Should we therefore ban all cars, or what?

 

[billyshelby]

I thought you were "out," Biley, without even havin the courtesy to leave me a red rep hit in your wake, eh? Probably aint nuthin good that don't carry some "unfortunate by-products" with them, ya know? I mean, like, eat yourself a big-*** steak dinner and, before long, it aint nuthin but a steamin pile of crap, ya know? That can't be the onliest question to ax. Cars can, and have been, used to murder peoples. Should we therefore ban all cars, or what?

That's what I expected.