My expectations for the Jazz this summer:

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  1. green

    green Well-Known Member

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    First, I do think Utah makes a big signing this summer.

    drum roll....

    Derrick Favors. I do believe that after three years you can renegotiate your deal. The Jazz do that. Instead of Favors taking two years to make 20 million, the Jazz sign Favors to a 3-4 year deal around 75 million (over 20 per year). It's good for Favors, because he gets more money now, and if he gets a three year deal he will still make a ton of money over his career (more than if he waited out his current deal) and it helps the Jazz keep the cap number down as they would get Favors a lot cheaper on that third year.

    Then they extend Hill out for three years.

    I think they make a run at Dudley to be a stretch four. I'd bet we give him a two year deal, around 10-12 per year.

    I still think we need a better starting wing and would love to push Hood to the bench. Then we are really, really good. BUT, I don't think that happens with the Favors renegotiation and Hayward next year. Hayward, Favors and Exum is our core and that is our future.

    The Jazz buy out Burke and don't re-up Mack's contract. Why keep Mack and Neto was solid and a lot cheaper?

    So, we will look like this come Oct:

    Hill, Exum, Neto
    Hood/Burks/Hill
    Hayward/Hood/Ingles
    Favors/Dudley/Lyles
    Gobert/Favors/Withey

    I like that team. Hopefully we stay around .500 through Jan and then hopefully come Feb Exum really starts to come into his own and takes the starting job. That then makes us look like this:

    Exum/Hill/Neto
    Hill/Hood/Burks
    Hayward/Hood/Ingles
    Favors/Dudley/Lyles
    Gobert/Favors/Withey

    I know I have Hill starting over Hood, but they are interchangeable. I put Hill starting because he is a better shooter and a better defender. He can space the floor for Exum and defend better. That being said, I see minutes looking like this:

    Beginning of the year:

    Hill (25), Exum (15), Neto (12)
    Hood (25), Burks (20), Hill (8)
    Hayward (30), Hood (8), Ingles (8), Burks (8)
    Favors (25), Dudley (15), Lyles (15)
    Gobert (30), Favors (8), Lyles (10), Withey (8)

    End of the year:

    Exum (25), Hill (15), Neto (12)
    Hill (10), Hood (20), Burks (25)
    Hayward (30), Hood (10), Burks (8), Ingles (8)
    The rest the same.

    I think if this team can stay around .500 until the end of Jan and if Exum can develop like the Jazz hope, we can make a run at 45-50 wins at the end of the season.

    That is what I expect from Utah and I am ok with it. Should be fun to actually see a good team that can compete for the playoffs this year.
     

  2. homeytennis

    homeytennis Well-Known Member

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    You only have 12 players. League rules require 13.
     
  3. green

    green Well-Known Member

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    Scrubs. Irrelevant players. The kid from Weber St. Some kid from training camp. I'm not too worried about the Jeremy Evans and Chris Johnson's of the world.
     
  4. Stoked

    Stoked Well-Known Member Contributor 2018 Award Winner

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    Neither am I but I think it'll be Bolomboy and Johnson.

    I agree with what goes down with Favors and Hill. Also I am also advocating for Dudley, or a similar player, to back up Hayward.

    I think the Jazz are north of .500 all season.

    Hill/Exum/Neto
    Hood/Burks/Johnson
    Hayward/Dudley/Ingles
    Favors/Lyles/Bolomboy
    Gobert/Withey/Pleiss

    There is a possibility that instead of a SF they focused on a big with an outside shot.
     
  5. green

    green Well-Known Member

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    Stoked - wasn't Dudley used as a PF last year? I had him pegged as a SF but saw that Washington used him as a stretch 4 last year, so I put him down as our stretch big.

    I think Utah would rather find a C to be the stretch four, but I don't know if that guy exists at the price the Jazz would want to pay.

    So, I had Dudley as our stretch four.
     
  6. RandyForRubio

    RandyForRubio Well-Known Member

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    I agree with what you said. Think we extend Favors and Hill.

    I think we'll trade Mack, tbh. His cheap contract makes him fairly valuable, and I think they'd rather have Neto. Burke will probly get bought out. I love Dudley, but I do wonder how much he can play at the 3. If the prices are similar, I'd rather we bring in Soloman Hill.
     
  7. RandyForRubio

    RandyForRubio Well-Known Member

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    I don't think Lyles and Dudley could play together very well tbh. Neither are rim protectors...need a rim protector to play with them IMO.
     
  8. Jazz_junkie

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    Lol they'll keep Neto for the ladies.

    Sent from my SCH-I545 using JazzFanz mobile app
     
  9. green

    green Well-Known Member

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    You'd have to play Gobert or Favors with Dudley/Lyles.
     
  10. Ellis269

    Ellis269 Well-Known Member

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    For me (since Durant and DeRozan are pipe dreams) I'd say that they need to add veteran depth. Give me Pau Gasol and Jared Dudley on 2/3 year contracts. Dudley has shifted between SG, SF and PF over the past three seasons. I see him as Hayward's backup at the 3. Then extend Favors, Hill and Gobert. Outside of Hayward (who I expect back as well), all of your core guys are locked up long term (or you control their rights) and you still have some assets to make a move if needed.

    Gobert, Gasol, Favors, Lyles, Hayward, Hood, Burks, Exum and Hill make up your core group. Mack, Neto, Jingles, Dudley and Withey all round things out for depth and glue guys. Gives the Jazz one spot left to decide between Bolomboy, Pleiss and Johnson. Maybe even consider bringing Booker back of the price is right.
     
  11. RandyForRubio

    RandyForRubio Well-Known Member

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    Would love Pau, but he probably wants to start (and would deserve to). Doubt he comes here...but man what a great fit he would be.
     
  12. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor 2018 Award Winner

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    My wife agrees
     
  13. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor 2018 Award Winner

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    I think that with zero more additions and with Exum not showing any improvement we get around 50 wins if we stay relatively healthy.

    If we add dudley or bazemore or batum or gasol and Exum makes some decent improvement then watch out! Jazz get homecourt and the 2 round of playoffs.
     
  14. urujazz

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    Totally agree, I would love to have Pau on our roster. He wants to play for a contender, and if DL makes his magic happen this team could be a contender with some tweaks.

    We need to go really hard after Pau and Batum to complete a championship caliber team. On July 1st, the first calls they receive must be from our FO guys.

    Hill/Exum/Neto
    Hood/Burks/Korver
    Hayward/Batum/Ingles
    Favors/Lyles/Bolomboy
    Gobert/Pau/Withey

    Also, bring back Korver as 3pt/Ft specialist and also fan base favorite.
     
  15. RandyForRubio

    RandyForRubio Well-Known Member

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    What about Gerald Green? Struggled in Miami, but the party scene is too big for him there. He had a good year in Phoenix...worth a flyer?
     
  16. Stoked

    Stoked Well-Known Member Contributor 2018 Award Winner

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    They keep Neto for his D and very cheap price tag.
     
  17. NUMBERICA

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    Who goes to the bench if we land Pau? I think the situation could turn nightmarish unless you can get him to play from the bench, which seems like an impossible sell for the Utah Jazz who have also been a bad team for the majority of the last 5/6 years.
     
  18. green

    green Well-Known Member

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    I don't think we could afford to pay Gasol. In order to come here, we would have to overpay in amount per year and years. It would be a mistake to do that. We aren't a contender, we aren't very good. There is no reason to come here for him unless we completely overpay him. In my opinion.
     
  19. SCS

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    I wouldn't really be a fan of bringing in Dudley at stretch four personally. Because it would take minutes away from Lyles who we are supposedly developing for that role. Especially at 10-12 mill per... yikes. I also think we keep Mack. He was simply to good to let go. Especially when his team option is for cheap

    This is the roster I see

    Until Exum is healthy

    PG- Mack/Exum/Hill/Neto
    SG- Hood/Hill/FA pickup
    SF- Hayward/Ingles/FA pickup
    PF- Favors/Lyles/Bolomboy
    C- Gobert/FA pickup/Pliess

    When Exum is healthy

    PG- Exum/Hill/Mack/Neto
    SG- Hood/Hill/FA pickup
    SF- Hayward/Ingles/FA pickup
    PF- Favors/Lyles/Bolomboy
    C- Gobert/FA pickup/Pliess

    I think they trade Burke and Burks (he just can't stay healthy). And they sign a legitimate backup center because the team struggled when Rudy was off the court. They also sign a versatile wing that can play at the 2 or 3. And I think Mack starts if Dante isn't ready because it will allow Hill to take the role of the first guard off the bench, a role I think he's better suited for.
     
  20. green

    green Well-Known Member

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    SCS - nice post. I'm tired of letting people develop. I want to win. If Lyles wants to develop, do it during the summer. Hayward, Exum, etc are here working out. Develop then and then beat our Dudley.
     

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