My frustration with this franchise is reaching a peak

[fishonjazz]

Either that, or you're ****ing stupid. And you can tattle on me to moderators like a 5-year old all you want. I call it like it is.

I have never reported a post before.

Carry on

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

These threads that pop up every time the team plays well are hilarious. Playing well isn't a bad thing for the future. The future would be much bleaker if all the lottery picks we've acquired over the last four years were incapable of winning games.

I admit, the messaging was working on me when the Jazz were 1-14, and I thought we had a real chance at super hyped freshman for once. It's fun to imagine a future with Jabari on this team. But everyone needs to realize why the draft lottery exists. Yes, it does help give superstar talent to bad teams, but WAY MORE THAN THAT its purpose is to condition fans of bad teams into believing there is hope.

Our fan base is different than most in that we haven't become disillusioned yet by several years at the bottom. Based on freak out threads like these, some are clinging a bit too emotionally to the hope manufactured by the lottery system.

While I agree that a poor record this season would have a good chance of helping us in the future, the situation is so much more complicated than winning is now losing and losing is now winning.

Do you realize what it would cost for the Jazz to become a legit bottom-three team, what it would mean? In a perfect world we could achieve it while still keeping all of our future talent. We could break another Trey's fingers and convince Stern to let us replay the league's most difficult schedule.

No, we'd have to jettison actual talent and/or fake some injuries.

OOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRR we could just trade Marvin and RJ to contenders for picks (Contenders hate picks and love veterans!). And then to be safe we should probably trade Burks and our pick to Milwaukee or Orlando for their top-2 pick. Why isn't our idiot front office doing this already??>?? It's so obvious!

This is mind bogglingly awesome, you are awesome, the core5 is awesome, I could go on, but needless to say this was a great post. And all should rep as I have

 

[GVC]

and enes and derrick on the court together has been working

They've shared the court for at least a couple minutes in each of the last 6 games (they didn't play together at all in the two games prior).

The Jazz absolutely killed the Spurs (40-20) over the 23 possessions with both on the floor (+87.0 per 100 possessions). When those two didn't share the court in that game, the Jazz were outscored 65-89 over 70 possessions (-34.3 per 100 possessions).

In the other 5 games, the Jazz have been +5.9 per 100 possessions when Kanter and Favors play together (51 possessions, 70-67) and +5.4 per 100 possessions (409 possessions, 471-449) when they don't.

Kanter's been playing much better of late, although he's still been inconsistent defensively IMO. Hopefully Kanter and Favors get some more minutes together moving forward.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

Good to know all our players stopped developing this July. ****, you're so stupid, I wonder if it hurts when you think. Are you actually claiming that there's no effect on development to playing with players? That if Jefferson wasn't spotting up behind the arc and hitting shots, and Favors was instead just throwing his passes into the crowd at the spot where Jefferson would stand, that he would develop just as well?

JimLes, you are about as smart a poster as Jim Les was an NBA player. Sorry, just being honest!

 

[Revolution 9]

My frustration currently is pretty bad, however all is not lost with this team. There are a lot of positives right now. The head against the wall deal breaker is how close we are to doing something special(and I don't understand what we are doing to get there). Now understand this, the Front Office may have a master plan we don't see yet. Until we see what they do this might hurt awhile.

 

[DutchJazzer]

How did you come up with this? What is a Crobain?

a complete and total wreck like kurt Cobain. who the world is better of without(profesionally speaking ofcourse. dont know ty personally. but as a headcoach he is a total wreck and needs to drop of the mortal nba coil)

 

[DutchJazzer]

Burks coming out of the closet could be the break we were needing. Package burks and our pick for Jabari. You can't tell me that the idiotic GMs drafting ahead of us wouldn't consider this. I just saw a ridiculous Pistons team.

i would rather trade hayward then burks.

hayward is demanding too much money and probably wont resign with jazz. or if he does it will be toxic like AK47's contract.

dont want that

 

[DutchJazzer]

People can be mad they are winning but to act like we are not developing our young talent is bogus. The boys who need time on the floor are all playing more than 25 minutes a game.

but are they playiong together?
as 4-5 men units.

NO THEY AR NOT.

so far favors and kanter played ltle together. how can they be david robinson/timduncan like.
or how about burks and burke(also played little together, atleast before hayward got hurt)
or how about burke burks hayward kanter favors.

THEY NEED TO PLAY TOGETHER.

and until recently burks and kanter where not getting significant playing time.

especially if marvin williams is at pf. why would you give mavrin 30+mpg per game at pf. while kanter needs those minutes

 

[BENTLEY]

'95-'96: the Spurs made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs (getting bounced by Utah).

'96-'97: the Spurs tanked to the tune of only 20 wins, missing the playoffs, but winning Tim Duncan in the draft.

'97-'98: the Spurs made it back to the 2nd round of the playoffs (again bounced by Utah).

'98-'99: the Spurs (in Duncan's second year) won the NBA championship.


The point is their '96-'97 season was a step back in order to take two steps forward. Many fans recognize this. We think/thought DL recognized this. I mean, yes, our players are really good - and, of course, we're happy about this. But, like the Spurs of old, we don't want our young team - brimming with talent and potential - to win games THIS year. Tank this year, add a top 5 stud, and play balls out NEXT year. It's a choice between maybe making the 7th/8th seed next year or getting homecourt in the playoffs, perhaps winning the championship in the next couple years.

How do we accomplish this? DL needs to diagnose what's putting the Jazz in W column and either make a trade or fire/hire the coach (with a stop-winning-games wink, wink), or break another finger.

 

[GVC]

The point is their '96-'97 season was a step back in order to take two steps forward. Many fans recognize this. We think/thought DL recognized this. I mean, yes, our players are really good - and, of course, we're happy about this. But, like the Spurs of old, we don't want our young team - brimming with talent and potential - to win games THIS year.

DL did what everyone wanted him to do, getting rid of talented vets and handing the team over to the youth. "Unfortunately", the young talent on this team isn't bad enough to lose enough games to keep pace with Milwaukee, Philly, Orlando and others. Unless DL hires someone to injure players OR trades the young talent on the team, there's not much he can do to guarantee a top-5 pick.

The 20-win Spurs played their best players from the previous season big minutes when healthy. Avery Johnson played 32.5 minutes per game, Vinny Del Negro played 31.2 minutes per game, Sean Elliott played 35.7 minutes per game. The difference from one season to the next was David Robinson, who was legitimately injured. Sean Elliott didn't play after February 5th, opting for surgery, but the Spurs were 11-33 at the time.

What exactly do you suggest DL does? Has it been done before? How successful has tanking been in recent years? The Spurs seem to be the rare exception to a pretty well established rule.

 

[BENTLEY]

Unless DL hires someone to injure players OR trades the young talent on the team, there's not much he can do to guarantee a top-5 pick.

What exactly do you suggest DL does?

I said "break another finger," didn't I?

 

[GVC]

THEY NEED TO PLAY TOGETHER.

Why?