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My hot take on what I'd do in the off-season.

It seems no one wants to admit it, but the reason the Jazz look they're headed for 1st/2nd round purgatory--or worse as Gobert/Bojan/Ingles/Conley age--isn't just Mike Conley. Quite simply, the Jazz's best player, whether you think it's Rudy (which the stats would support) or Donovan (which seems to be the popular opinion here) is worse than the best player on most other Western contenders.

--Lakers have Lebron
--Clippers have Kawhi
--Houston has Harden
--Dallas has Doncic
--GSW has Steph
--Denver has Jokic

They made weird tweaks to RPM this year, but Donovan was 51st ranked among shooting guards by that metric. You can argue the accuracy of these advanced metrics--and I don't think Donovan is a below average guard--but none of the players listed above were outside the overall top 10 this season. Donovan has yet to have a season where he was above league average in either EFG% or TS%, and it's not like he makes up for that with tremendous defense. Meanwhile, guys like Harden & Curry shoulder big usage and maintain well above efficiency. The advanced stats like Rudy quite a bit (10th in RPM), but we've seen that certain matchups can blunt his effectiveness.

The bottom line in the NBA is that if you don't have a top 5 player, advancing deep in the playoffs is an uphill climb. We can argue about role players and whether or not Conley was the best use of resources (he wasn't), but ultimately, unless Donovan ups his offensive efficiency, it's unlikely to really matter. The Jazz will still be capped (at best) as a second-round team. And as the roster ages & Mitchell/Rudy sign expensive contracts, just maintaining the status quo of a 50ish win team will become increasingly difficult.
 
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green said:
I showed why that wasn't true. Do I want Rudy at 35+ million per year or Whiteside at 20? Whiteside. That is Rudy's problem. It's not skill. It's pay. He will be too expensive for what he brings. Or he will be mad he isn't scoring enough or making enough and then he becomes VASTLY overpaid if he isn't dominating the defensive side of the court.
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Whiteside is not half the defender of Rudy and is worse offensive however you look. Classic empty stats guy who chases blocks instead of playing actual defense. It's a big downgrade.

Also, Rudy averages 2 fewer shots while shooting higher percentage and playing more. Rudy also has a lower usage rate.
 
Deron Williams said:
It seems no one wants to admit it, but the reason the Jazz look they're headed for 1st/2nd round purgatory--or worse as Gobert/Bojan/Ingles/Conley age--isn't just Mike Conley. Quite simply, the Jazz's best player, whether you think it's Rudy (which the stats would support) or Donovan (which seems to be the popular opinion here) is worse than the best player on most other Western contenders.

--Lakers have Lebron
--Clippers have Kawhi
--Houston has Harden
--Dallas has Doncic
--GSW has Steph
--Denver has Jokic

They made weird tweaks to RPM this year, but Donovan was 51st ranked among shooting guards by that metric. You can argue the accuracy of these advanced metrics--and I don't think Donovan is a below average guard--but none of the players listed above were outside the overall top 10 this season. Donovan has yet to have a season where he was above league average in either EFG% or TS%, and it's not like he makes up for that with tremendous defense. Meanwhile, guys like Harden & Curry shoulder big usage and maintain well above efficiency. The advanced stats like Rudy quite a bit (10th in RPM), but we've seen that certain matchups can blunt his effectiveness.

The bottom line in the NBA is that if you don't have a top 5 player, advancing deep in the playoffs is an uphill climb. We can argue about role players and whether or not Conley was the best use of resources (he wasn't), but ultimately, unless Donovan ups his offensive efficiency, it's unlikely to really matter. The Jazz will still be capped (at best) as a second-round team. And as the roster ages & Mitchell/Rudy sign expensive contracts, just maintaining the status quo of a 50ish win team will become increasingly difficult.
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His playoff stats this year show he might be a top 5 player. He took a big step forward. Mitchell is at the top of many advanced stats for playoffs this year and some for all-time in NBA history.
 
Deron Williams said:
It seems no one wants to admit it, but the reason the Jazz look they're headed for 1st/2nd round purgatory--or worse as Gobert/Bojan/Ingles/Conley age--isn't just Mike Conley. Quite simply, the Jazz's best player, whether you think it's Rudy (which the stats would support) or Donovan (which seems to be the popular opinion here) is worse than the best player on most other Western contenders.

--Lakers have Lebron
--Clippers have Kawhi
--Houston has Harden
--Dallas has Doncic
--GSW has Steph
--Denver has Jokic

They made weird tweaks to RPM this year, but Donovan was 51st ranked among shooting guards by that metric. You can argue the accuracy of these advanced metrics--and I don't think Donovan is a below average guard--but none of the players listed above were outside the overall top 10 this season. Donovan has yet to have a season where he was above league average in either EFG% or TS%, and it's not like he makes up for that with tremendous defense. Meanwhile, guys like Harden & Curry shoulder big usage and maintain well above efficiency. The advanced stats like Rudy quite a bit (10th in RPM), but we've seen that certain matchups can blunt his effectiveness.

The bottom line in the NBA is that if you don't have a top 5 player, advancing deep in the playoffs is an uphill climb. We can argue about role players and whether or not Conley was the best use of resources (he wasn't), but ultimately, unless Donovan ups his offensive efficiency, it's unlikely to really matter. The Jazz will still be capped (at best) as a second-round team. And as the roster ages & Mitchell/Rudy sign expensive contracts, just maintaining the status quo of a 50ish win team will become increasingly difficult.
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well, you just showed the reason exactly why the problem IS Mike Conley.

Harden had Jeremy Lin
Steph had Monta Ellis
Doncic had DSJ
Jokic had Nurkic
Lebron had Ricky Davis

And Donovan have Conley.

Do you remember what happened to these guys afterwards?
 
Cptgrnlngs22 said:
Go big or go home. Trad Rudy for brown if you can. Trade conley and Davis for Harris. Resign clarkson sign favors.

Mitchell
JC
Brown
Joe
Bogie
Royce
Harris
Morgan/Bradley
Favors


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You would need a really solid backup Center. I like Favors but he cant play more than 20 mpg. If I thought he could that would be a solid lineup. A starting lineup of Mitchell, Brown, Bodie, Harris, Favors is good. If you picked up someone like Baynes I think that would be good.

I would also be down to take the risk of trying Conley for Blake Griffin. I think I would save Davis for another trade as well. I also like the Gobert for Wiggins and #2 pick trade option if that was available. Then using that pick to land a solid player.

But honestly if things are really okay between Mitchell and Gobert like is being reported I would be shocked if the team trades Gobert. We dont trade all-stars that want to be here away.
 
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Game 6 I thought Mason Plumlee turned that game. Early on we were looking unstoppable and in control. But than the bench comes in and Tony Bradley was a complete dud, but than Rudy came in and Plumlee even outplayed him! At that point I knew we were in trouble. Nuggets mentality changed and they were all the sudden playing the tougher/physical style that the jazz should be. They were now finishing through contact and flexing on us and we didn't answer.

The Ed Davis signing being a failure combining with losing Favors really set us back.

 
I kinda resigned to the fact that we probably won't make the playoff next season.

We are kinda stuck in a 2014 Brooklyn Nets-ish limbo for this next season.

Without the ability to make any major roster overhaul, the best we can hope for is a 7th or 8th seed finish and another early round exit from the playoff. This current roster has reached its full potential. It's only gonna be a downhill from here.


So i'm looking at possible moves we can make beyond the expiration of Conley's horrendous contract, which is in 2021/22. If we can tank our way to a top 5 spot in next year's draft in the process, that'd be a bonus.
 
It would else help to have a defender that didn't turn to stone at the sight of a Jamal Murray dribble move
 
prodigy said:
Game 6 I thought Mason Plumlee turned that game. Early on we were looking unstoppable and in control. But than the bench comes in and Tony Bradley was a complete dud, but than Rudy came in and Plumlee even outplayed him! At that point I knew we were in trouble. Nuggets mentality changed and they were all the sudden playing the tougher/physical style that the jazz should be. They were now finishing through contact and flexing on us and we didn't answer.

The Ed Davis signing being a failure combining with losing Favors really set us back.

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Ed would've been a fine signing if our perimeter defenders weren't looking for the center to help out on every possession
 
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