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NBA.com Dunk of Night with ex-Jazz Enes Kanter

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I actually never used +/- against Kanter. I used RPM, because it's designed to eliminate the variables that aren't controlled by the player.

As far as PER goes, it shows what I already know - Kanter's an excellent offensive player, and crashes the boards very well. What you have to realize is the knock on Kanter - the reason RPM shows him as a net negative player, the reason the Jazz instantly and significantly improved upon trading him, and the reason Billy Donovan is only playing him 20 minutes a game - all has nothing to do with anything that PER would reflect. PER doesn't measure defense. It doesn't show that what Kanter gets on one end of the court is being completely offset by the negative impact he has on a team's defense.
 
Because +/- is a flawed stat that relies on too many variables that have nothing to do with the individual player.
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#318 for Favors that's some serious flawed then....the point of the whole thing is Kanter is proving his point in his play by his stats being their with the best players in the League.You prove your point by playing good basketball.That points given up is pointless if your team is the top offense in the NBA when your playing and your outscoring the other teams with point differential comparable to the other top two teams in the League.
 
tleikheen said:
#318 for Favors that's some serious flawed then....the point of the whole thing is Kanter is proving his point in his play by his stats being their with the best players in the League.You prove your point by playing good basketball.That points given up is pointless if your team is the top offense in the NBA when your playing and your outscoring the other teams with point differential comparable to the other top two teams in the League.
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Um, repeating that Kanter has a good +/- isn't really a counter-argument to the point that +/- is a severely flawed statistic.
 
tleikheen said:
#318 for Favors that's some serious flawed then....the point of the whole thing is Kanter is proving his point in his play by his stats being their with the best players in the League.You prove your point by playing good basketball.That points given up is pointless if your team is the top offense in the NBA when your playing and your outscoring the other teams with point differential comparable to the other top two teams in the League.
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That doesn't apply to Kanter. As has now been stated multiple times in this thread, when correcting for quality of teammates and opponents, Kanter scores incredibly poorly in +/-. His teams are worse with him on the court.
 
You (Kds family) watched last year ,Burke and Hayward looked off Kanter many times in the offense ,they didn't like him.Durant and Westbrook are seeking him out on OKC ....WTF's with that..Burke and Hayward are shooting .425% in FG's,Think they can use a .576 % FG shooter to pass off to and create more space for themselves.
 
tleikheen said:
You (Kds family) watched last year ,Burke and Hayward looked off Kanter many times in the offense ,they didn't like him.Durant and Westbrook are seeking him out on OKC ....WTF's with that..Burke and Hayward are shooting .425% in FG's,Think they can use a .576 % FG shooter to pass off to and create more space for themselves.
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Is it just me, or does this have nothing to do with what we're talking about?
 
(Kanter) is 4th in the NBA in finding the acorn (.576 %)
Also Kanter is #79 in (+/-) Gobert #80 and Favors #318
Kanter's PER is #6 behind #1Curry,#2Westbrook,#3Durant,#4Leonard,#5James
Kanter's TS% is #3 behind #1 Curry ,#2 Durant

talk these stats down as loser stats ,meaningless stats.
 
High FG%, high TS%, and high PER. I believe I already did point out that Kanter is an excellent offensive player, and great at crashing the boards.

+/- has already been addressed. You can find my post on it on the previous page. GVC touched on it as well. Let me know if you have any further questions on the merits (or lack thereof) of +/-. I'll be happy to answer them.
 
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That doesn't apply to Kanter. As has now been stated multiple times in this thread, when correcting for quality of teammates and opponents, Kanter scores incredibly poorly in +/-. His teams are worse with him on the court.
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Were do you get this? Kanter has a really good net +/- this year that KD failed to address properly.
 
Diamond77 said:
Kanter is on fire, 23 points and 8 rebounds in just 21 minutes against the Bucks last night.
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Why are his minutes so low? Seems like he should be getting more playing time.
Is he getting in foul trouble or something?
 
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