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NBA.com Mid-season report.

Archie Moses said:
Since Jerry has such a crappy tack record, you know?
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You're right, that's the only thing that matters. A good record when you've had 2 HoF (possibly best ever in their position) on your team for over a decade. Lack of adjustments, terrible response to game changes, and an archaic system that cannot evolve, mean nothing, because he won more games than he lost.
 
siromar said:
You're right, that's the only thing that matters. A good record when you've had 2 HoF (possibly best ever in their position) on your team for over a decade. Lack of adjustments, terrible response to game changes, and an archaic system that cannot evolve, mean nothing, because he won more games than he lost.
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Coach Sloan is WIDELY considered, by fans, players, other coaches, and those involved in the game, to be one of the best coaches in the game of basketball. And its not even close. Its Jazztard fans that make up the group that think he sucks. The grass is always greener. And if you are only a Jazz fan because you expect them to win a championship, then I suggest you find another team to root for, because I don't see it happening as the NBA is currenly constructed. The fact that he even got us to the finals with Stockalone was ****ing phenomenal considering the competition, the SLC market, and the general makeup of the NBA.
 
Jeditiger said:
Coach Sloan is WIDELY considered, by fans, players, other coaches, and those involved in the game, to be one of the best coaches in the game of basketball. And its not even close. Its Jazztard fans that make up the group that think he sucks. The grass is always greener. And if you are only a Jazz fan because you expect them to win a championship, then I suggest you find another team to root for, because I don't see it happening as the NBA is currenly constructed. The fact that he even got us to the finals with Stockalone was ****ing phenomenal considering the competition, the SLC market, and the general makeup of the NBA.
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Of course, the bandwagon argument. How long would it take to write a computer program to replace Sloan? Just use the same starting line up no matter what happens, do your pre-scripted substitutions/time outs regardless of anything happening in game, then blame losses on some tired cliche such as "we weren't playing as a team" or "if you don't defend you lose". I'm pretty sure no one would notice the difference.
 
Not callig you a bandwggoner. Just saying that if you EXPECT the Jazz to win a championship, then you are being unrealistic. While I HOPE they someday win a championship, I certainly do not EXPECT it. Not in this NBA. Small market teams do not win NBA titles anymore. And don't tell me that San Antonio counts as a small market, its in ****ing Texas for chrissake. Like I said, the fact that he got us as close as he did was ****ing phenomenal IMO.
 
Jeditiger said:
Not callig you a bandwggoner. Just saying that if you EXPECT the Jazz to win a championship, then you are being unrealistic. While I HOPE they someday win a championship, I certainly do not EXPECT it. Not in this NBA.
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San Antonio won several championships, and they're currently leading the NBA. It's a small market team. I'd be happy if the Jazz can COMPETE for a championship, instead of being an early-exit playoffs team.
 
siromar said:
San Antonio won several championships, and they're currently leading the NBA. It's a small market team. I'd be happy if the Jazz can COMPETE for a championship, instead of being an early-exit playoffs team.
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Edited my post before i saw yours.

ETA, I don't disagree that I want to see them at least be competetive in that regard. And we can get to that point again, yes even with Coach Sloan at the helm. But I think that is a tribute to how well-run of an organization we have, because I do not think the competetive balance in the NBA would otherwise allow it.
 
siromar said:
San Antonio won several championships, and they're currently leading the NBA. It's a small market team. I'd be happy if the Jazz can COMPETE for a championship, instead of being an early-exit playoffs team.
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Exactly.
 
Jeditiger said:
Come on guys, get real. San Antonio, TEXAS. Utah is ****ing Siberia by comparrison.
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The size of the state/city is not the issue. SA is a small market team. They make small market team money, just like the Jazz. If I remember correctly, SA has one of the smallest markets.
 
siromar said:
The size of the state/city is not the issue. SA is a small market team. They make small market team money, just like the Jazz. If I remember correctly, SA has one of the smallest markets.
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Yes but not only does the population of the state of Utah dwarf that of Texas, they also have no state income tax.
 
SA is a small market team, but they were a solid team throughout the 90's, had one injury plagued year, got lucky in the lottery, and drafted arguably the best player of the past 13 years.
 
If Utah had tanked, then drafted Duncan, we'd have a few rings now too. That's the difference, not the size of the market. Although, as far as free agency goes, SA is certainly a more appealing destination than SLC. At least for most players.
 
siromar said:
The size of the state/city is not the issue. SA is a small market team. They make small market team money, just like the Jazz. If I remember correctly, SA has one of the smallest markets.
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SA is not as small market as you think. There was a discussion on this quite a while back and I think it was Saltydawg or someone else who posted stats that showed Spurs were quite a bigger market than thought.

But anyways, even assuming that they can be compared with us market-wise still they have had Duncan and a couple of all star type players for the last decade or so. We just dont have that type of players currently(when we did have something comparable, we made the finals only to lose to a superior team). And even the Spurs havent made the finals in the last 3+ years. Shows how tough the competition is.
It is not the coaching. The Jazz have mostly made lateral moves these last 3-4 years. IF they need to be elite they need a solid push upwards personnel-wise. Get a stud SG for example, and see where that takes us. Or get a stud center who can block shots and drain some shots. You cant expect to compete for a title when it looks like we barely have 1.5 or 2 options on most nights.You need atleast 3 solid options and then some.
 
chawx said:
https://www.forbes.com/lists/2009/32/basketball-values-09_NBA-Team-Valuations_Rank.html

The Spurs are worth a lot of money to the league. Market size is meaningless. This list will generally tell you who's going to be good and who will suck...
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Great find. Lets see, the Spurs have annual revenues of $133 mil, compared to $118 mil to Utah. And the Spurs have an annual operating income, and I think this is the more important statistic, of $19.1 mil, compared to $7.9 mil for Utah. Ladies and gents, that ain't chump change.
 
siromar said:
Of course, the bandwagon argument. How long would it take to write a computer program to replace Sloan? Just use the same starting line up no matter what happens, do your pre-scripted substitutions/time outs regardless of anything happening in game, then blame losses on some tired cliche such as "we weren't playing as a team" or "if you don't defend you lose". I'm pretty sure no one would notice the difference.
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+1 rep
 
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