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Discussion in 'Utah Jazz' started by jope, Feb 12, 2018.
You should give it a try
You just have no clue, buddy.
Simmons had many things
for a year? That is just bull. He did not play for a year, that is a huge disadvantage.
Players who have not played for a year would lose their shooting touch, passing skill, quickness, stamina, etc.
If redshirting the rookie year is good for the development of players, why don't more nba managers follow the same
method for healthy first year rookies? Remember when Exum came back from a year of injury break, he looked really rusty, it took him almost a year of nba season to rediscover his quickness and explosiveness on the court.
Team double teaming mitchell? The whole team of Ben's oppositions clogged all driving lanes so he could not drive and he still averages 17 pts a game.
When a player like simmons is averaging almost a triple
doubles and you are telling me he is not carrying the team? LOL. Ben is leading his team in assists, steals, shooting % and 2nd in scoring and rebounding. He is also the best defender in the 76ers lineup.
Simmons also does not have the luxury of having a good bench like Mitchell has.
The 76ers bench is really really bad and is probably the worst in the Nba
Yep but now national broadcasters and NBA analysts are saying Mitchell over Simmons for ROY. I'm glad the truth is being revealed to everyone.
I agree with this, but what I don't get is this idea that Simmons isn't fun to watch. Mitchell and Simmons are two of the funnest players in the NBA!
This. Mitchell did come up big in the last few minutes of the last two games (which is a monster atttribute) - but they don't mention anything about efficiency to kind of balance the argument.
I think if Mitchell gets it, it should be for his 'clutchness' and scoring leadership role. But to argue that somehow he is qualitatively and quantitatively the better player and that it isn't close - is ridiculous.
I watch both all the time, and I think it's tricky - cause I am Australian but a fan of the Jazz
No in all seriousness, I agree with you that Mitchell is a beast in 4th quarters and I am happy for that to count significantly. But Simmons is routinely double teamed and the argument that the system suits his stat 'padding' is a tough sell - cause Mitchell routinely shooting 20 shots a night is also a product of the Jazz system which helps him to average close to 20.
I will be happy either way in all honesty - I can't lose.
If I was forced to make a call, I probably would give it to DM right now - but I think Simmons has the higher ceiling. Could they become the two best players in the NBA in 5 or 6 years time?
"Lets stop comparing" next breathe runs two paragraphs of comparisons. Gtofh dude.
And everyone needs to stop replying to the troll. Its just Voldamort sitting at home with his broke *** leg stirring you all up.
So here is my argument for Mitchell.
First, he scores more points, and is by far the top scorer in his team. He is not playing PG and does not have the bail in his hands as much as Simmons, so he isn't going to get the assists. He also isn't 6'10 and has Rudy and Favors on his team, so he won't get the rebounds.
Do you really think a player should get ROY for getting 3 more rebounds? As far as assists go, the top 4 scorers around Simmons are scoring 24, 17, 15 and 13 ppg. For Mitchell, 17, 12, 12, 12 (with significant games missed from 2 of them). He also plays in a system that doesn't have as many assists per player (look how Rubios assists dropped).
Donovan has also gotten significantly better throughout the year. If you take out the stats for the first month, I don't think there is an argument. He's averaging 22.2 points a game.
could it be the return of Boris?
Another way to state it. If Mitchell and Simmons were switched, do you think it's more likely Simmons scores 22 a game or Mitchell gets 7 assists?
I'm a Jazz fan so of course I pick Mitchell. Also, I think Mitchell will be one of the best ever, like Wade, but a better (more willing) passer. If I was a Philly fan, I wouldn't be happy if Simmons lost to Mitchell for ROY. Simmons' body of work is rather impressive and he is fun to watch. Fills up a stat sheet like a Lebron. Still, Mitchell it is.
1. Stats wise : Simmons wins
2. Defense : Simmons wins
3. playmaking : simmons wins
4. perimeter shooting : DM wins
5. Scoring in the paint : Simmons wins
6. Passing : Simmons wins
7. Rebounding : Simmons wins
8. Athleticism : even
9. Hype : simmons wins
10. Popularity : Simmons wins
11. Upside : Simmons wins
12. Basketbal IQ and Vision : simmons wins
As you can see
Ben is better in every category, except perimter shooting. How the hell do you justify giving the ROY award to mitchell, unless you are biased and delusional jazz fans ?
Stupidity: utahjazzz wins
DM - 6’3’ - can hit head on rim
Simmons - 6’10’’ - can barely hit head on net
LSU lied so hard on his vert... they said he had a 41 inch vert. If he had that, at 6’10’’ his head should be 3 inches over the rim. His head barely gets net high on pretty much every dunk I’ve seen him make.
Wade averaged 5.5 assists for his entire career. Those are lofty expectations.
Donovan is ROY.
The fact that you play off the importance of sitting out an entire year to observe and familiarize yourself to an NBA organization like it had no impact on Simmons’ current play is ridiculous.
Simmons is a point guard who hasn’t made a 3 all season. There’s an entire facet of basketball that is missing from his game.
Did Simmons collect a paycheck from the Sixers last year? If so, then last year was his first year as a pro and he isn't a rookie this year.
The nba says he is a rookie this year because
he did not play a single
nba game before the 2017/2018 season. This is all that matters.