NBA Summer League Wild Overreaction Thread

[JimLes]

One thing that I've always been struck by when looking at summer league stats is that second year players generally play so much better than rookies. I've accounted for that as sign for how much better player development is in the NBA vs other leagues.

It is also why nowadays it's almost unheard of to have rookies come in and actually be net-positives in the NBA. With the exception of Victor and Luka in the past decade or so, maybe.

The gap is just so big. No rookie can defend in the NBA and a lot of them can't score either. The talent gap between the pros and the NCAA is a freaking canyon.

Kyle Filipowski has spent a year in the pros on a tanking team and would probably look like Nikola Jokić and Rudy Gobert had a baby if you put him back on that Duke team right now.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Edgecombe playing again. Gives me hope we see Ace

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

VJ didn't edge enough and combe his entire load in his first game

 

[infection]

It is also why nowadays it's almost unheard of to have rookies come in and actually be net-positives in the NBA. With the exception of Victor and Luka in the past decade or so, maybe.

I read this a few times hoping I'm not misunderstanding you. Donovan? Herro? Morant? Trae Young? Bane? Just guys off the top of my head. In my bias, it seems like nowadays you can actually use a rookie to be in a rotation, whereas the doctrine of yesteryear was this was a taboo violation of the laws of the universe and disrespectful to the game.

 

[Schrödinger's Gerbil]

If I'm ESPN, I'm refusing to broadcast summer league games in the future without some kind of guarantee that the high profile draftees actually play, barring legit injuries. Fans don't tune in to watch no names playing for two-way, G-league spots, or European contracts. They tune in to see the big names who are the future NBA stars. It's in the league's best interest that they play as well. It's the launching point to create fan interest, market potential marquee players, and create buzz for the upcoming season.

It's like the teams are some nerdy kid and the high profile picks are new Star Wars action figures that the nerd is too afraid to unwrap because it might scratch them. Holy hell, we're now load managing summer league. What a frig'n joke.

Perhaps some of these players are legit injured, but as Andy Larsen pointed out in a recent column, injury reports are routinely manipulated, unreliable, untrustworthy, and all too often can't be taken seriously.

What may be rational for the team or individual player is not rational for the league as a whole. I'm not sure that the league office can do, but it can't not do anything, or summer league is going to end up like the All Star game: an exercise in pointlessness that will turn fans off rather than draw them in.

There's so much about the modern NBA that is almost begging fans to disengage.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

If I'm ESPN, I'm refusing to broadcast summer league games in the future without some kind of guarantee that the high profile draftees actually play, barring legit injuries. Fans don't tune in to watch no names playing for two-way, G-league spots, or European contracts. They tune in to see the big names who are the future NBA stars. It's in the league's best interest that they play as well. It's the launching point to create fan interest, market potential marquee players, and create buzz for the upcoming season.

It's like the teams are some nerdy kid and the high profile picks are new Star Wars action figures that the nerd is too afraid to unwrap because it might scratch them. Holy hell, we're now load managing summer league. What a frig'n joke.

Perhaps some of these players are legit injured, but as Andy Larsen pointed out in a recent column, injury reports are routinely manipulated, unreliable, untrustworthy, and all too often can't be taken seriously.

What may be rational for the team or individual player is not rational for the league as a whole. I'm not sure that the league office can do, but it can't not do anything, or summer league is going to end up like the All Star game: an exercise in pointlessness that will turn fans off rather than draw them in.

There's so much about the modern NBA that is almost begging fans to disengage.

Bro it's July. What else is ESPN going to show?

 

[idiot]

If I'm ESPN, I'm refusing to broadcast summer league games in the future without some kind of guarantee that the high profile draftees actually play, barring legit injuries. Fans don't tune in to watch no names playing for two-way, G-league spots, or European contracts. They tune in to see the big names who are the future NBA stars. It's in the league's best interest that they play as well. It's the launching point to create fan interest, market potential marquee players, and create buzz for the upcoming season.

It's like the teams are some nerdy kid and the high profile picks are new Star Wars action figures that the nerd is too afraid to unwrap because it might scratch them. Holy hell, we're now load managing summer league. What a frig'n joke.

Perhaps some of these players are legit injured, but as Andy Larsen pointed out in a recent column, injury reports are routinely manipulated, unreliable, untrustworthy, and all too often can't be taken seriously.

What may be rational for the team or individual player is not rational for the league as a whole. I'm not sure that the league office can do, but it can't not do anything, or summer league is going to end up like the All Star game: an exercise in pointlessness that will turn fans off rather than draw them in.

There's so much about the modern NBA that is almost begging fans to disengage.

I generally think you make good points in your posts, but I can't go with you here. Summer league is for development. Period.

If ESPN wants to latch on, that's fine, but their goals should never eclipse the goals of the team in preparing their youngsters for what's coming up (including managing injuries) and giving a chance to players we'll never hear of again.

I don't really see your point about the failings of the "modern NBA" here. Back in the day, there was either: a) no summer league at all, or b) only very small summer leagues that only some NBA teams participated in and that had rather poor attendance and TV coverage. These days we have wall-to-wall coverage of all games with all teams participating. And yet we have posts all over the internet now that seem to suggest that the NBA is conspiring to withhold their players from us by having teams following their doctors' advice.

 

[slc]

I generally think you make good points in your posts, but I can't go with you here. Summer league is for development. Period.

If ESPN wants to latch on, that's fine, but their goals should never eclipse the goals of the team in preparing their youngsters for what's coming up (including managing injuries) and giving a chance to players we'll never hear of again.

I don't really see your point about the failings of the "modern NBA" here. Back in the day, there was either: a) no summer league at all, or b) only very small summer leagues that only some NBA teams participated in and that had rather poor attendance and TV coverage. These days we have wall-to-wall coverage of all games with all teams participating. And yet we have posts all over the internet now that seem to suggest that the NBA is conspiring to withhold their players from us by having teams following their doctors' advice.

After seeing Tatum, Haliburton, Lilliard all go done with the most serious injury a player can have
nobody wants Flagg, Bailey, Harper etc to miss entire season or more with an Achilles injury
Many people want to shorten season because of too much wear and tear on players

 

[stormkoopacv03]

I honestly wanted to see if Emoni Bates in the summer league again, just to see if he improved but Cleveland has cut ties with him, and is now an unrestricted free agent after two years later. Wow...

 

[jom2003]

This battle between Queen and Yang has been pretty fun to watch.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

If I'm ESPN, I'm refusing to broadcast summer league games in the future without some kind of guarantee that the high profile draftees actually play, barring legit injuries. Fans don't tune in to watch no names playing for two-way, G-league spots, or European contracts. They tune in to see the big names who are the future NBA stars. It's in the league's best interest that they play as well. It's the launching point to create fan interest, market potential marquee players, and create buzz for the upcoming season.

It's like the teams are some nerdy kid and the high profile picks are new Star Wars action figures that the nerd is too afraid to unwrap because it might scratch them. Holy hell, we're now load managing summer league. What a frig'n joke.

Perhaps some of these players are legit injured, but as Andy Larsen pointed out in a recent column, injury reports are routinely manipulated, unreliable, untrustworthy, and all too often can't be taken seriously.

What may be rational for the team or individual player is not rational for the league as a whole. I'm not sure that the league office can do, but it can't not do anything, or summer league is going to end up like the All Star game: an exercise in pointlessness that will turn fans off rather than draw them in.

There's so much about the modern NBA that is almost begging fans to disengage.

My only complaint for SL is the games are taking too long. No challenges in SL and timeouts should be limited.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

This battle between Queen and Yang has been pretty fun to watch.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVTFsByxX0g


Didnt watch the game, but the post-up by Yang on the last clip of the highlights is the softest post D I've ever seen by Queen. Zero dog.