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you deserve a stink for this position. Headlines should have been "Hillary Lied while Americans Died".

That is the fact, and that is why the House select committee was interested in getting the facts on the record. Dissing it as politics minimizes the importance of Americans actually knowing the truth of what their government has done.

You deserve a stink for many things babe. Like your jumping to conclusions.

I am arguing one single tennet of this case. not the entire case. For example, I absolutely think Clinton lied (like blaming the video), and as said in this very thread I do not trust her at all. SO next time you want to jump at someone try to know what the hell you're talking about.

This panel wanted to get to the facts not for their sake but to damage a rival. You want to buy their song and dance fine. Go for it. I don't trust them either.

Oh, this is where you blame the British.
 
You deserve a stink for many things babe. Like your jumping to conclusions.

I am arguing one single tennet of this case. not the entire case. For example, I absolutely think Clinton lied (like blaming the video), and as said in this very thread I do not trust her at all. SO next time you want to jump at someone try to know what the hell you're talking about.

This panel wanted to get to the facts not for their sake but to damage a rival. You want to buy their song and dance fine. Go for it. I don't trust them either.

Oh, this is where you blame the British.

I don't blame the British people for voting for what amounts to an illusion of sovereignty for their nation, or an illusion of democracy, or an illusory hope for actual relevance to their own government. I am amazed they could dig so deep they could find some of their roots that made them great in the first place.

you used to be a different person, before you were a mod. I saw some pretty realistic and decent posting back then. Now you're blind to what you have become.

I say stuff I hope will make people think again, and probably most of the time it's a useless rhetorical exercise.

Here is what you said///// I consider it important to focus on that as the basis of my comment, not your denials of what you actually said//:

This review was extremely partisan. Justified or not it was done for political reasons. That by itself makes me suspicious of it. This report make claims like "It is not clear what additional intelligence would have satisfied either Kennedy or the Secretary in understanding the Benghazi mission compound was at risk -- short of an attack" but gives no basis for that claim.

I am supposed to just take their word? No thank you. I don't trust her but I don't trust them either.

My comment was responded by saying it was not partisan, but factual:

you deserve a stink for this position. Headlines should have been "Hillary Lied while Americans Died".

That is the fact, and that is why the House select committee was interested in getting the facts on the record. Dissing it as politics minimizes the importance of Americans actually knowing the truth of what their government has done.

Some important things came out of the investigation, which we wouldn't have known without it. Stuff like Hillary's server in a utility closet, the private server which was not secure, and designed to keep a lot of official correspondence undiscoverable by meddling security personnel. A violation of the Federal Records Act and our FOIA rights.

It's easy for political pundits to say someone lied. Without the investigation we would just be throwing unfounded insults back and forth. Now, if you or I throw out unfounded insults, it is because we refuse to educate ourselves, not because the truth in unobtainable.

Historians will have a resource, if they're inclined to reference it, they would not have had without the investigation.

You are giving folks above a lot of crap asking for them to substantiate their views. If you are going to diss the report as "partisan", go get the report and show us the partisanship in specific statements of the report that are not supported by fact.
 
The motivations are partisan. I never said anything about whether anything good came from this. Also how dare I ask for the facts themselves someone used to form their opinion. The outrage!

If you cannot see the partisan motivations on one political party going after the other and being suspicious than I cannot help you and see no point in continuing.

Good day Babe
 
The ambassador who was killed in Benghazi, his sister doesn't blame Hillary Clinton.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/06/29/politics/stevens-family-clinton-benghazi-interview/index.html

"I do not blame Hillary Clinton or Leon Panetta (for Stevens' death). They were balancing security efforts at embassies and missions around the world," Dr. Anne Stevens, who has acted as a spokesperson for the family, said in an interview with the New Yorker published Tuesday."But what was the underlying cause? Perhaps if Congress had provided a budget to increase security for all missions around the world, then some of the requests for more security in Libya would have been granted. Certainly the State Department is underbudgeted," she added. "I would love to hear they are drastically increasing the budget."

@joe, maybe she just needs you to provide her with the facts?
 
The ambassador who was killed in Benghazi, his sister doesn't blame Hillary Clinton.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/06/29/politics/stevens-family-clinton-benghazi-interview/index.html



@joe, maybe she just needs you to provide her with the facts?
It's abundantly obvious that different people can see the same facts and come to different conclusions. For me it is unconscionable for the US government not to send help during the actual attack for fear of offending someone. For other people that's apparently okay.

I also think it's terrible that our government tried to pin these events on the video when the evidence is conclusive that they knew the real cause.

It's an extrapolation to imagine why the Obama administration handled things the way they did. If they did it for the reasons that some on the political right believe that is a very bad thing, but the reports (as far as I know) do not attempt to attach justifications to the actions They simply tried to recreate a record of the actual actions.
 
It's abundantly obvious that different people can see the same facts and come to different conclusions. For me it is unconscionable for the US government not to send help during the actual attack for fear of offending someone. For other people that's apparently okay.

I also think it's terrible that our government tried to pin these events on the video when the evidence is conclusive that they knew the real cause.

It's an extrapolation to imagine why the Obama administration handled things the way they did. If they did it for the reasons that some on the political right believe that is a very bad thing, but the reports (as far as I know) do not attempt to attach justifications to the actions They simply tried to recreate a record of the actual actions.

I would agree with this premise. But I would want to see the facts proving this to be true. I have not so I am withholding judgment here on if that is what happened.

Agreed. This is something I have seen the proof on and I agree it is a lie told by Clinton. Untrustworthy
 
The motivations are partisan. I never said anything about whether anything good came from this. Also how dare I ask for the facts themselves someone used to form their opinion. The outrage!

If you cannot see the partisan motivations on one political party going after the other and being suspicious than I cannot help you and see no point in continuing.

Good day Babe

I'd suggest you reserve your outrage for political partisanship for those who attempt to whitewash or minimize the motives of the Obamas and Clintons. . . .of course there's no partisanship there, they are just loyal defenders of all that's right with America. How could Obama keep this from becoming a problem in his re-election campaign? That's what the lies were all about. Hillary fell on her sword for Obama so she could have the next Dem nod. The truth be damned. The failure of responsible democrats to be as interested in the truth is a totally damning indictment of the Dems. A lot of the Reps were tepid or lukewarm to the investigation, as well. That sorta forced the committee to focus on the objective facts, and might have contributed to making it what it is.. . . . a fine report with outstanding objectivity and non-partisanship. It was about nothing but the facts.

I don't think I can expect that much from a good ol' boy like Game, or political crusaders like Rev8 or Kicky, but I had some hope you'd see the light.

I think the report was done responsibly, and with a high level of non-partisan objectivity. Thus I consider those who throw out unfounded charges of partisanship to be too emotionally involved to think coherently.
 
I would agree with this premise. But I would want to see the facts proving this to be true. I have not so I am withholding judgment here on if that is what happened.
Read the report. It includes the action item notes of a meeting Clinton held during the attack. Also, marines are claiming that they were told to change uniforms numerous times for this reason:
https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/st...weapons-and-uniforms-commander-says/86478466/

I'm interested whether that article provides sufficient evidence for you to make a judgement on this.
 
I'd suggest you reserve your outrage for political partisanship for those who attempt to whitewash or minimize the motives of the Obamas and Clintons. . . .of course there's no partisanship there, they are just loyal defenders of all that's right with America. How could Obama keep this from becoming a problem in his re-election campaign? That's what the lies were all about. Hillary fell on her sword for Obama so she could have the next Dem nod. The truth be damned. The failure of responsible democrats to be as interested in the truth is a totally damning indictment of the Dems. A lot of the Reps were tepid or lukewarm to the investigation, as well. That sorta forced the committee to focus on the objective facts, and might have contributed to making it what it is.. . . . a fine report with outstanding objectivity and non-partisanship. It was about nothing but the facts.

I don't think I can expect that much from a good ol' boy like Game, or political crusaders like Rev8 or Kicky, but I had some hope you'd see the light.

I think the report was done responsibly, and with a high level of non-partisan objectivity. Thus I consider those who throw out unfounded charges of partisanship to be too emotionally involved to think coherently.

There is no "outrage". There is distrust. Stop trying to hype it up.

Also lawl at you coming at me as an Obama excuser.

HAHAHAHA
 
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I will have to read it to find out.
From the article:
The platoon commander of a fleet anti-terrorism security team, which can be dispatched to embassies and consulates in times of crises, told the committee that his Marines changed into and out of their uniforms four times on the plane before taking off for Libya, the report states.

The team did not arrive there until 23 hours after the Sept. 11, 2012, attacks that killed four Americans, including U.S. Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens.

"We were told multiple times to change what we were wearing, to change from cammies into civilian attire, civilian attire into cammies, cammies into civilian attire," the platoon commander, who was not identified, told the committee. "There was also some talk of whether or not we could carry our personal weapons.

"I was basically holding hard and fast to the point where we were carrying our personal weapons. Like, we’ve got a very violent thing going on the ground where we’re going, so we’re going to be carrying something that can protect ourselves. But as far as what the Marines were wearing, that continually changed, and we had to make those changes inside of the aircraft."
I cannot believe discussions like this are even happening. Our embassy was under terrorist attack and we had Marines available to protect it, but instead of doing anything a ridiculous discussion ensued. Meanwhile our ambassador and his staff died. If politics were not involved every sane person would agree that the Marines should have been sent.
 
From the article:

I cannot believe discussions like this are even happening. Our embassy was under terrorist attack and we had Marines available to protect it, but instead of doing anything a ridiculous discussion ensued. Meanwhile our ambassador and his staff died. If politics were not involved every sane person would agree that the Marines should have been sent.

Then you must be astounded a lot in this life. I have not read it yet but I will.
 
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