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[Stoked]

Do you think it's simply a coincidence that ISIS emerged concurrent with our withdrawal?

Coincidence, no. Dramatically over simplified, yes.

 

[Gameface]

Do you think it's simply a coincidence that ISIS emerged concurrent with our withdrawal?

I was hearing so many people, many on the right, who said we need to get out of there and let those bleepity-bleepers kill each other.

Thanks Obama!

 

[♪alt13]

I agree that the elements and culture that led to ISIS existed pre-Obama, but there are many who feel that his handling of the withdrawal played a significant role in the emergence of ISIS.
https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2014/06/13/iraq-falls-apart-to-isis-after-obama-withdrawal

Our overbearing military interventions in the middle east have served to create a space for extremist groups and made both the US and the region less secure. I'm glad that Obama decided to begin to break that cycle. My support for that line of thinking is part of the reason why I will be voting for these guys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0vL--nazHk

 

[♪alt13]

I agree that the elements and culture that led to ISIS existed pre-Obama, but there are many who feel that his handling of the withdrawal played a significant role in the emergence of ISIS.
https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2014/06/13/iraq-falls-apart-to-isis-after-obama-withdrawal

Our overbearing military interventions in the middle east have served to create a space for extremist groups and made both the US and the region less secure. I'm glad that Obama decided to begin to break that cycle. My support for that line of thinking is part of the reason why I will be voting for these guys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0vL--nazHk

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

I was hearing so many people, many on the right, who said we need to get out of there and let those bleepity-bleepers kill each other.

Thanks Obama!

I'm sure you'll have no problem finding articles and video backing up your claim that right wingers were saying this, then. I'll wait.

 

[Stoked]

I'm sure you'll have no problem finding articles and video backing up your claim that right wingers were saying this, then. I'll wait.

I think he is talking about general members of the pubic. It is something that I have also heard from numerous right leaning people.

 

[Gameface]

I'm sure you'll have no problem finding articles and video backing up your claim that right wingers were saying this, then. I'll wait.

Yeah, what Stoked said, it's a sentiment I've heard frequently from all sort of people. They don't want us involved and don't really care what happens in that region.

 

[Red]

I agree that the elements and culture that led to ISIS existed pre-Obama, but there are many who feel that his handling of the withdrawal played a significant role in the emergence of ISIS.
https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2014/06/13/iraq-falls-apart-to-isis-after-obama-withdrawal

The video at this link offers some history behind the rise of Isis. Certainly leaving so much armament behind in Iraq was one heck of a gift, but the fact seems to be that we've created many of the enemies whom we've later attacked.

https://truthinmedia.com/truth-in-media-the-origin-of-isis/

Edit: something else that may not be as well known as perhaps it should be is how many ISIS leaders are former officers in Saddam Hussein's army, and the Baathist Party. We probably should have handled that aspect of post Hussein better, by not marginalizing those key military people. It's what makes ISIS part terror group, part army....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...97676c-cc32-11e4-8730-4f473416e759_story.html

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

The video at this link offers some history behind the rise of Isis. Certainly leaving so much armament behind in Iraq was one heck of a gift, but the fact seems to be that we've created many of the enemies whom we've later attacked.

https://truthinmedia.com/truth-in-media-the-origin-of-isis/

Edit: something else that may not be as well known as perhaps it should be is how many ISIS leaders are former officers in Saddam Hussein's army, and the Baathist Party. We probably should have handled that aspect of post Hussein better, by not marginalizing those key military people. It's what makes ISIS part terror group, part army....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...97676c-cc32-11e4-8730-4f473416e759_story.html

That was a well done piece. I agree that we played a major role in creating these groups. Unfortunately, as the video demonstrates, that situation has continued under the current president. ISIS rose to power using weapons that Obama simply abandoned to them in the withdrawal. It was handled horribly.

 

[JazzGal]

Has our involvement in anyone's wars since World War II been of any help? I'm not a historian and have no idea. But I can't think of any.

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[fishonjazz]

Has our involvement in anyone's wars since World War II been of any help? I'm not a historian and have no idea. But I can't think of any.

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I think we might have helped kuwait. But still. I agree with your general point.

 

[Stoked]

Has our involvement in anyone's wars since World War II been of any help? I'm not a historian and have no idea. But I can't think of any.

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This is an interesting question. Yes and no to all. Depends on who you are. The Iraq war helped the Kurds but not the Ba'ath party, Korean war helped the south but not the north, Gulf war helped Kuwait but not Iraq...