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Red said:
We see what we want to see. At least to some degree, I believe that's true of all of us. It's the reason people talk past each other in these kinds of charged conversations, instead of being willing to consider they may be wrong at times. I am no different. Although I sincerely believe everything I've been saying in this thread, I respect your very different take. I accept that you may have a point and I may be unable or unwilling, or both, to see it through your eyes. We shall see. Right now, it will either be Clinton or Trump. For reasons I've gone over here, Trump worries the day lights out of me. I do not assume he will be our national nightmare the way some demagogues in the past have afflicted their respective nations, but I see that as a much greater possibility then I would if Clinton won. I have an unfavorable view and opinion of her, just not near as much as Trump. He is actively seeking to divide America. He did not start it, but he is making matters worse, and I don't believe we deserve that. ISIS is thrilled that Trump suggested Obama may be supporting ISIS. I see no good coming from giving solace to our enemies. They want to see a war between the faith of Islam and the West, and Trump is giving that to them. To me, that is providing comfort to the enemy.
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If a Christian fundamentalist went on a terror attack I would have no problem with Obama calling it Christian Extremist Terrorism. I believe that he has, though I don't have time to look for examples. When a Islamic extremist uses terrorism Obama and his administration try to expunge that fact from the records (yesterday's 911 transcript fiasco was a perfect example). I cannot understand why this is, and I think that Obama's tactics of dealing with everything in such a pansy way has done far more to give comfort to our enemy than anything Trump has ever done.

Name our enemy, declare war on them, don't try to make every terrorist attack into something it is not.

Aren't peaceful followers of Islam ashamed of the extremists who use terror to get their ways? I know that Christians are ashamed of the extremists who use terror in the name of that religion.
 
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Boris said:
Cause he is a man of the people and loves us and are country.
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I thought I'd respond to this with a pic of rich old white dudes chortling with each other so I typed "rich old white men" in google and a bunch of pictures of Donald Trump popped up.

But I did manage to get a pic of old white dudes, or as you would call them, men of the people.

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After the election we should make one of the Aleutian islands its own country. We should make Trump president of it and hope that all of his idiot followers follow him there. Then we would have a good reason to build a ****in wall.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
It's amazing to me how much differently you and I see Obama. I can't think of a single time he's allowed the Republicans to walk on him. He simply ignores their position and forces his down their throats. It's happened again and again. This is true of health care, budgets, foreign policy (particularly involving the terrorist problem and the Mexican border), etc. I guess the difference in the way we see him is that you agree with most of his policies and I disagree with most of them. I'm genuinely curious about examples of where he's allowed his opponents to walk all over him, though. It's interesting that you and I see him as weak for completely different reasons.
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Well, first of all, I had decided to point out that finding all those articles about Obama and narcissism really surprised me. I was not expecting that at all. And that I could at least admit as much. It does not change my mind about the "epiphany" I felt when I started connecting Trump's behavior to the same description of narcassistic personality disorder, but it did tell me there may be a subjective factor that depends more on me then facts. Possibly. Also, I went through the entire Obama years without paying much attention. Believe it or not, given politics is my only focus of late. I can't explain our differences in perception either.
 
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