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The wheel system does NOT favor big market teams at all. This is such a STUPID argument. The wheel system favors SMART teams.

Could you imagine a Jazz team like this:

PG: Stockton, Nash, Andre Miller
SG: Jon Barry
SF: Grant Hill, Glenn Rice
PF: Charles Oakley
C: Hakeem Olajuwon

The only way Utah ever has a team like that is through the wheel system.

Under any sort of of lottery system, Utah never has a shot at that many high caliber players.
 
The wheel system would only work if they raise the age limit. No more one and done. Make guys stay in school for three years or until they're at least 20. Otherwise I think you'll have guys try to game the system to get to preferred destinations (which would likely favor big market teams). Keeping them in school longer forces them to develop more AND makes it more likely that they come out if they'll be a top pick because the can't put off jumping for too long.
 
oldtimer said:
The draft system is supposed to help those teams that are not good, that is why the draft exists in the first place. Otherwise, just make them all free agents and let the go to the highest bidder. Then we get baseball where 5 teams win it every year. The lottery system was introduced because teams were trying to lose. The answer is develop a system that helps the teams that really need help, but doesn't encourage teams to intentionally lose.

Its about having a league of competitive teams. Where any team could win a championship.
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I don't know if you noticed but only 8 Franchises have won the NBA Championship in the last 25 years (14 NFL & 16 MLB).

What if in the 2006 draft, Utah traded its 1st overall, Boozer, & Giri (or Harp) for Pau Gasol & Mike Miller (or Battier). Could that team defeat San Antonio? How about last year, Utah could have traded its 1st for say Rondo, Bledsoe, or Teague, with other assets in return.
 
green said:
The wheel system does NOT favor big market teams at all. This is such a STUPID argument. The wheel system favors SMART teams.
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The wheel system is not going to help the teams lacking in talent improve. Miami getting Wiggins or parker this year would doom the entire league to 8 more years of second place or worse.
 
oldtimer said:
so I decided to look up their record for the last five years and you could not be more wrong. In fact, Minnesota would be in contention for the number one overall pick this year. Last year 2013 they were 31-51, in 2012 they were 26-48, in 2011 they were 17-65 and in 2010 they were 15-67. If they finished off this season out of the playoffs, the NBA would average those seasons and Minnesota would get a very high pick in this draft. The bucks have also been pretty bad over that time to so it could be close.
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I was working on the thought that Minnesota was in the 30 win range the last few years.
 
green said:
The wheel system does NOT favor big market teams at all. This is such a STUPID argument. The wheel system favors SMART teams.

Could you imagine a Jazz team like this:

PG: Stockton, Nash, Andre Miller
SG: Jon Barry
SF: Grant Hill, Glenn Rice
PF: Charles Oakley
C: Hakeem Olajuwon

The only way Utah ever has a team like that is through the wheel system.

Under any sort of of lottery system, Utah never has a shot at that many high caliber players.
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Any draft system that could give a contending team a rookie contract superstar is out of the question. The wheel system could work, but would need some tweaks to prevent this.
 
oldtimer said:
The draft system is supposed to help those teams that are not good, that is why the draft exists in the first place. Otherwise, just make them all free agents and let the go to the highest bidder. Then we get baseball where 5 teams win it every year. The lottery system was introduced because teams were trying to lose. The answer is develop a system that helps the teams that really need help, but doesn't encourage teams to intentionally lose.
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The problem with the current draft system is that you can't trust anyone in the NBA as far as you can throw them. I understand the reasoning that the draft is needed because otherwise bad teams would have no way out of their ****ty fate and 5 teams would get all the players, but how the hell can you tell which teams are actually bad, which teams are bad by design, and which teams aren't actually bad but are tanking?

If the league actually punished losing(like they do with relegation over in Europe), I think you would see teams act very differently. Take the Bucks, for example. I don't think anyone here would argue that they are anything but a horrible team. They're not losing on purpose, and if they didn't get a high lottery pick this year, they'd be just as bad next year. Hell, they'll probably be terrible next year with a lottery pick. Sounds like a perfect example of why the draft is needed. They actually have bad players, and they need some good ones.

Except that Bucks' crapiness is actually their own doing. They were 38-44 last year, 31-35 the year before, and have generally been around 4 games +/- of .500 the last 6-7 years. If the NBA actually punished losing, would they have made all the moves they've made in the past few years? Do they let Ellis go and sign Mayo? Do they trade Jennings for Knight? Do they still trade Reddick for some magic beans and let Dunleavy walk? The Bucks suck, but man, it was their own doing. It's not like they suck because their star player suffered a career-ending injury or their hot draft prospect snorted coke and died on draft night. They suck because they made moves that were just about guaranteed to make them suck.

People assume that without the lottery, bad teams would just flounder and be bad forever or until they are contracted. Sure, if you assume they would act the same way they do now. I think they'd wise up real quick, though.
 
fishonjazz said:
I think that all the teams that miss the playoffs should then have to play a single elimination tournament and the winner of that tournament gets the number 1 pick, 2nd place gets number 2 pick and so on.

Teams wouldn't tank because they would want to try to get as good a seed as possible for the tournament and they would want to establish good chemistry and gameplans so they would be prepared for the tournament.

I think this was an idea bill simmons had.
I think it would be awesome to watch and with the top picks on the line, teams would be giving their full effort
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LOL.. then GSW would have gotten the #1 pick the year they drafted Harrison Barnes.


Why? Cos they would have sat Curry, Bogut and Lee the whole season, only to have them "healthy" in the end of year tournament and blitzed the field.
 
oldtimer said:
The wheel system is not going to help the teams lacking in talent improve. Miami getting Wiggins or parker this year would doom the entire league to 8 more years of second place or worse.
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Bull ****.

First, realize that LA, Chicago, Boston and New York will always have an advantage. Miami's market is #16. Second, who cares if it dooms the rest of the league to second place? Isn't that the whole point? To give teams other than the four large markets a chance? By definition, Miami is a small market team. Isn't Miami succeeding what we want?

If Miami and OKC and SA can succeed, then Utah can.

Second, it wouldn't doom the league to 2nd place for 8 years. With the cap, Miami would have to get rid of Wade and possibly Bosh. Miami is a smaller market, they can't afford to do what NY, LA, and Brooklyn has done.

Finally, I don't care what Miami does, as long as Utah has a shot. Under the current lottery system, and under an "averaged" system (3 or 5 years), Utah doesn't have a shot. Under a slotted draft or wheel system, Utah has a shot.

Forget about large market teams, they will ALWAYS have an advantage. Show me a system where Utah could have a team of

Stockton, Nash, Andre Miller
Jon Barry
Grant Hill, Glenn Rice
Charles Oakley, Horrace Grant
Hakeem

And I'll listen. Until then, the wheeled draft is BY FAR the best option.

Have confidence in yourself and quit being afraid of other's success.
 
Jazz4ever said:
Any draft system that could give a contending team a rookie contract superstar is out of the question. The wheel system could work, but would need some tweaks to prevent this.
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STUPID argument. You want SMALL MARKET TEAMS LIKE MIAMI (or UTAH) TO HAVE A CHANCE AT ADDING A SUPERSTAR.

Forget about Miami or LA. What is best for Utah? The wheel draft gives UTAH a chance at having a team with FIVE Hall of Famers AT ONCE. No other system gives small market teams that chance.
 
green said:
Bull ****.

First, realize that LA, Chicago, Boston and New York will always have an advantage. Miami's market is #16. Second, who cares if it dooms the rest of the league to second place? Isn't that the whole point? To give teams other than the four large markets a chance? By definition, Miami is a small market team. Isn't Miami succeeding what we want?

If Miami and OKC and SA can succeed, then Utah can.

Second, it wouldn't doom the league to 2nd place for 8 years. With the cap, Miami would have to get rid of Wade and possibly Bosh. Miami is a smaller market, they can't afford to do what NY, LA, and Brooklyn has done.

Finally, I don't care what Miami does, as long as Utah has a shot. Under the current lottery system, and under an "averaged" system (3 or 5 years), Utah doesn't have a shot. Under a slotted draft or wheel system, Utah has a shot.

Forget about large market teams, they will ALWAYS have an advantage. Show me a system where Utah could have a team of

Stockton, Nash, Andre Miller
Jon Barry
Grant Hill, Glenn Rice
Charles Oakley, Horrace Grant
Hakeem

And I'll listen. Until then, the wheeled draft is BY FAR the best option.

Have confidence in yourself and quit being afraid of other's success.
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You seem passionate but I guess I'm missing how a wheel system does not favor large teams or team with a desirable destination like miami. Once wiggins or parker was draftwd by maimi they could re-sign wade and bosh. You can go over the cap to sign your own players.

Also a wheel system really sucks in down draft years like last year. After 30 years you finally get the first pick and there is nobody worth taking.

The jazz could very easily end up in the lottery for the next few years given their refusal to tank in a strong draft and the strength of thw western conference. In a couple years I think you will see the merits of average approach.
 
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