Shooting isn't the problem. The Jazz have plenty of players who can shoot. It's the ability to dribble penetrate to score that hurts the Jazz (along with turnovers of course). The Jazz's shooting is at lest middle of the pack.
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Shooting isn't the problem. The Jazz have plenty of players who can shoot. It's the ability to dribble penetrate to score that hurts the Jazz (along with turnovers of course). The Jazz's shooting is at lest middle of the pack.
Archie Moses
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Shooting is absolutely part of the problem along with not taking it to the hole.
1. Shooting isnt part of the problem
2. I'm not going to judge shooting in a 5 game sample size
However we can clearly see the Jazz don't have the kind of player who can consistently get to the rim and draw fouls or score at the rim off the dribble. Hood showed some ability to draw fouls last game (though half of them were on a 3pt attempt, which is a fluky thing), but the only player who has shown any ability to really slice through the defense off the dribble is Mitchell, and he is too green to be consistent at this point.
Yes, you need a good 3pt % and high attempt rate to be a great offense, but the Jazz don't have to be a great offense. The Jazz just need to have a consistently decent offense. I don't think the 3pt shooting will stand in the way of that. What could is turnovers and lack of FT attempts.
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how can u take it to the rim when the teams clog the lanes cos nobody can shoot?
lanes open when u space the floor with shooters.....
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Shooting is part of the problem... the starting lineup has 2 non-shooters in Gobert and Favs (long 2s are okay but teams ain't scared) and then Ricky who is good from 15 feet, but the 3 is really only okay when he is spotted up. Adding another shooter alongside Ingles and Hood may open up some stuff.
Creation is a bigger part of the problem though. Mirotic has a little bit of a pump fake drive game, but it ain't great. He isn't Ryan Anderson, but he's streaky as a shooter. He has done well in RPM over his career... I think his willingness and perceived shooting help him.
His contract has a team option though... not a player option... I think it is actually a non-guarantee. So if he sucks we could get out of jail free.
The trade that would work is Favs for Mirotic straight up. Gives them a solid young vet with an expiring contract.
Creation is a bigger part of the problem though. Mirotic has a little bit of a pump fake drive game, but it ain't great. He isn't Ryan Anderson, but he's streaky as a shooter. He has done well in RPM over his career... I think his willingness and perceived shooting help him.
His contract has a team option though... not a player option... I think it is actually a non-guarantee. So if he sucks we could get out of jail free.
The trade that would work is Favs for Mirotic straight up. Gives them a solid young vet with an expiring contract.
Look at Minnesota last year. They had less 3pt shooters than the Jazz, yet they had a guy like Wiggins who could score efficiently due to his ability to attack the rim.
Or Jimmy Butler in Chicago.
The PF taking 2 extra steps out to the 3pt line in offensive sets isnt going to greatly change the way Rubio, HOod, or Ingles are able to get to the basket. It would help Gobert out, but it wouldn't solve the two core issues that plagues the offense currently.
And again, the Jazz have two very good 3pt shooters in the starting lineup. It's not like we are completely void of shooting. We have the ability to space the floor at an adequate level to at least have an average, or slightly below average, offense.
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We are trying to create through Ricky and Rudy and Ingles PnR combos though so having less space absolutely hurts.
Wiggins has Towns to pull a big away and take attention... Chicago offense I'm not sure is great.
This guy is streaky... he's not a good defender but he's not a Kanter sieve either. It might work... we'd likely have until January to see if the current crew is not functioning.
Rudy creates as much spacing as any shooter in the NBA. You can say we only have 2 shooters so therefore have below average spacing, but it's not accurate. We have an adequately spaced floor. What we suffer from isn't poor spacing, it's not having a guard who forces rotations off penetration.
Further, drawing any conclusions to the quality of shooting and its affect on the offense through 5 games is goofy (especially when we have 2 key players shooting well below their career averages and our key rookie, who most of us believe is a good shooter, shooting below his current capabilities). What we do know, and knew before the season even started, is that none of our ball-handling creators can score efficiently and with volume at the rim off the bounce.
If we can get Mirotic for Burks and a 2nd then yes. I don't think that's likely. Favor's for Mirotic? They are not going to do that deal. That hurts their tank and gets them nothing. That also isn't a help to us this season. Maybe it is next year but who knows.
Quinn's system creates plenty of spacing. The issue is that we are a team reliant on hitting our jump shots. When we arent our offense will struggle. Also we are turning the ball over way too much.
Mirotic isnt going to help create more space. I think he is a good player and I like him but Favor's is a better player when healthy. If we trade for Mirotic then he will be taking JJs minutes. I guess JJ could go back to playing more SF and cut out some or all of Sefolosha's minutes.
Mirotic isnt going to help create more space. I think he is a good player and I like him but Favor's is a better player when healthy. If we trade for Mirotic then he will be taking JJs minutes. I guess JJ could go back to playing more SF and cut out some or all of Sefolosha's minutes.
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I don't think it's hurts the tank and what if they want to see how he fits with Lauri... he is young still so what if they like him long term.
How does Mirotic not help us? If we moved Favs for him we could give him Favs minutes and JJs role doesn't change.
The Bulls are in a crappy situation. Need to move one of these guys... neither has a ton of value right now... so it might be expiring contract for expiring contract but still be a good thing.
Favors is better than Mirotic.
The only reason I would do that trade if I was the Jazz is if you think Favor's wont stay healthy. Or if you think the Jazz are going to tank this year, but I dont. I think we are still aiming for the playoffs and will succeed at that. But I dont see any reason Chicago would do this trade.
That trade hurts us this year since it is a downgrade at that position. Chicago wins more games with him and hurts their lotto pick. Unless they think he is a long term fit and can re-sign him. But he does not fit with their age group and timeline.
A late 1st or even a couple 2nds might be worth more to Chicago than Favors. If we are going to trade Favors we need to wait until the deadline and hope his value is higher and we dont see a way to re-sign him.