No clue what the Jazz are going to do in this draft

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

With the 9th pick we need to draft someone to be a starter. Not someone to get 20 minutes a night as a backup at the 4 and 5 imo.

It's true. If the Jazz want to draft someone who can come in and break into the starting line up soon, they'd draft a shooting guard like George or Henry. Then they could pick up a back-up PF/C with more length than Millsap later in the draft or through free agency. As Krazee pointed out, there are some big inside players like Poindexter late in this draft. If the Jazz can't get skilled length like Monroe, Cousins or (I maintain) Whiteside, they can get defensive size later in the draft.

The Jazz do have Okur, Fess and Tomic lined up for the C spot, which makes me wonder if drafting Aldrich would make much of a difference in the long run.

At the end of the day, I think the Jazz are going to be opportunistic with this lottery pick, try to move up in the draft if they can, and get the best player available--either a big or a wing. If the Jazz were able to get a player like Cousins, I think they'd let Okur expire at the end of the year and justify the pick as their starting-caliber center of the future. If they got Aminu or Babbit, they would think about moving AK or not re-signing him. If they draft George or Henry, we'd have a real shooting guard for the first time in about 10 years.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

There's a rumor floating on the Sacramento Kings' board that if Cousins is not available at the #5 pick, the Kings would likely trade the pick and the Jazz are trying to work out a deal for it. I would assume the Jazz's target would be Wesley Johnson, although it could be Monroe or maybe Aminu.

Just a rumor, not sure how substantiated.

 

[Jazz4ever]

There's a rumor floating on the Sacramento Kings' board that if Cousins is not available at the #5 pick, the Kings would likely trade the pick and the Jazz are trying to work out a deal for it. I would assume the Jazz's target would be Wesley Johnson, although it could be Monroe or maybe Aminu.

Just a rumor, not sure how substantiated.

Its not worth trading up to 5 for Monroe or Johnson, basically its Cousins or bust.

 

[CAE15]

Its not worth trading up to 5 for Monroe or Johnson, basically its Cousins or bust.

Monroe i agree. But either johnson or cousins is worth it to me to move up to 5. Johnson isn't really what the jazz need persay but he is in a higher tier then monroe,henry,aminu,aldrich. If the Jazz have a chance to get johnson or cousins they should jump at it. That being said pretty sure johnson is going to minnesota.

 

[cowhide]

Dont think the Jazz have interest in Cousins if they havent worked him out. So I only think the reason they trade up is to ensure they get monroe.

Just because the Jazz didn't work out Cousins doesn't mean they are not interested in him. The Jazz have a history of drafting players they didn't work out. I believe Brewer and Koufos are two examples. Perhaps they brought Monroe in because they feel they have a good chance that Monroe would still be on the board at 9 while the Jazz feel they have the goods to move up to get Cousins. So why bring him in because Cousins has been projected at a top 5 guy since the draft started while Monroe has been projected to be there when the Jazz pick.

 

[cowhide]

This is a ****ing retarded approach if the Jazz draft him. We'd still suck at the 5 and be average at best on the wings. If we can move up to get Favors, Cousins, Turner, and to a lesser degree, Johnson, we should do it. But if not, there are so many bigs in this draft and we can get a 4 like this or a true 5 later in the 2nd round which means we should go for a wing early (Babbitt imo is perfect here). I'm going to put my board reputation (not that it's a good one) on the line here and say for the umpteenth time that Dexter Pittman is going to be the steal of this draft. He is the guy the Jazz need to target as their 5/backup 4 in the 2nd round, even if we have to move up to get him. His size, athleticism, work ethic and beastliness are exactly what we need in the middle. Jeff Foote is also very intriguing if we were able to pick up another late 2nd rounder.

I am a big fan of Pittman and Jerome Jordan. Jordan played against Whiteside and had 19 pts 13 rebounds plus a few blocks so I think he is a steal at the top of the second round or lower first. I believe Foote just signed a contract to play in Europe.

 

[NUMBERICA]

The numbers Jordan had against Whiteside showcase how unbelievably poor of a post-defender Whiteside is, not how awesome Jordan is.

 

[cowhide]

The numbers Jordan had against Whiteside showcase how unbelievably poor of a post-defender Whiteside is, not how awesome Jordan is.

Well you are entitled to your opinion but Jordan has some skills and he has a lot of the same qualities of Whiteside who is being projected anywhere from 12 to 22. I just do not see much difference in the two players. If I could get a similiar player at 38-45 to a player at 12 then its a no brainer. Besides Jordan certainly seems like he is better equipped to play in the NBA than Whiteside simply because he is mature with some skills.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

The numbers Jordan had against Whiteside showcase how unbelievably poor of a post-defender Whiteside is, not how awesome Jordan is.

Whiteside played forward at Marshall in a 3-2 zone defense most often. He also typically roamed and helped on 'D'. One guy scoring isn't all on him.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Well you are entitled to your opinion but Jordan has some skills and he has a lot of the same qualities of Whiteside who is being projected anywhere from 12 to 22. I just do not see much difference in the two players. If I could get a similiar player at 38-45 to a player at 12 then its a no brainer. Besides Jordan certainly seems like he is better equipped to play in the NBA than Whiteside simply because he is mature with some skills.

Then I guess you missed the workout Whiteside just had with Monroe in Sacramento, which was basically called a wash.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Whiteside played forward at Marshall in a 3-2 zone defense most often. He also typically roamed and helped on 'D'. One guy scoring isn't all on him.

When you're getting killed in the post, you have to man up. It was Jordan vs. Whiteside straight up and it looked like Shaq against Olive Oil. BPG is a good defensive stat, but it most certainly doesn't tell the whole story. Especially if a guy can't contain his own assignment at all (even in a mid-major conference in the NCAA).

Whiteside can't be KG because KG is tough and brilliant (Whiteside is weak and dumb) and Camby is an overrated player. Whiteside would be lucky to be anything close to either. If he gets his **** into a weight-room and finds some kind of mental toughness somewhere, look out. That just doesn't happen too frequently, though. I'm going off on a tangent, though.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

When you're getting killed in the post, you have to man up. It was Jordan vs. Whiteside straight up and it looked like Shaq against Olive Oil. BPG is a good defensive stat, but it most certainly doesn't tell the whole story. Especially if a guy can't contain his own assignment at all (even in a mid-major conference in the NCAA).

Look what happened when Blair went against Thabeet in college. Blair went for like 25 and 10 and dominated Thabeet. And we know who had the better rookie year despite being picked 40 spots lower. I definitely agree with you in wanting to avoid Whiteside anywhere near the lottery.

Would be a decent gamble in the 20's, though.