No lunch for Huckabee, Is it the same?

[Deleted member 365]

1. Siro, i guess you have not visited Europe at all? Or really like the ghetto culture the migrants provide at touristy places in Paris, Firenze, Nice etc. In your view i am certainly rascist if i do not want that something like this turns it some kind of muslim festival (forced by muslims due the "borders should open for everybody") in the near future. Russian occupations was already bad enough.

Ever been to America? Plenty of ghettos and poverty here in places where the native population has lived here for hundreds of years. Especially in areas that voted for Trump! Those are some of the most impoverished and anti-immigrant areas in the nation. So I’m unsure of where the idea that immigrants result in ghettos and poverty comes from. Yeah sure, the first generation may struggle to adapt. But by the second and third generation they’re assimilated and contributing to society just like anyone else.

Besides, it’s a proven fact, and facts should matter, immigrants are the least likely population to commit crime.

Truly, I think immigrants are being scapegoated by politicians with poor ideas and policies but know that they can stoke the fear of native populations in order to win support. Exploiting the anger of nationalism is a terrific way to stay in power. It’s proven time and time again to be disastrous for human rights though.

 

[One Brow]

Just curious how you guys would detain families that cross the border. Would you put them in a Holiday Express or is that too cheap?

For decades, we didn't need to detain families. Those claiming asylum show up for their court dates at better than a 99% rate.

So, why the sudden need to detain them at all?

 

[One Brow]

Fine, go ahead and decide when science fits and should be trusted, and when you can throw it away.

Science always fits and always should be trusted. However, there is no scientific definition of race (or even species, for that matter). Scientifically, there is only how closely related different populations are.

 

[One Brow]

So Obama was a hero to the left and a coward to the right when he suggested diplomacy. 8 years later trump is a coward to the left and a hero to the right for suggesting diplomacy.

Who on the left is calling Trump a coward for suggesting diplomacy? All I read is that he is a bully for disregarding diplomacy.

Oh but they say there are subtle differences that a sophisticated mind can see and that's what makes it an outrage if Bush bombs wedding parties in Yemen but sad and necessary when Obama bombs wedding parties.

The progressives I read called it an outrage when Obama bombed wedding parties.

If you are really trying to play the "both sides" card, you should at least find examples where it fits. This post was just embarrassing.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Who on the left is calling Trump a coward for suggesting diplomacy? All I read is that he is a bully for disregarding diplomacy.



The progressives I read called it an outrage when Obama bombed wedding parties.

If you are really trying to play the "both sides" card, you should at least find examples where it fits. This post was just embarrassing.

You prove exactly what I’ve been saying here. There’s a large segment of our population that has been brainwashed to believe the Fox News narrative aka alt facts aka ********.

The right has been lying about Obama worship for a decade now. They create strawmen and when you knock them down they accuse you of malice. It’s an endless cycle.

Colbert described it pretty well here with his “Truthiness” episode. Ever seen it?

http://www.cc.com/video-clips/63ite2/the-colbert-report-the-word---truthiness

 

[str8line]

We can go back and forth all day, but in my opinion it's not about politics right now, it's about Trump; and the debasement of our societal norms that he has fostered/accelerated. He sets a terrible precedent, far beyond the behavior of any President before him. It's not refreshing, it's not telling it like it is. A American President should at least endeavor to stay above the fray of the worst of behavior, but Trump can't help but be at the very bottom of the pit shoveling the ****. He's a very bad person. And he is ****ing crazy. You cannot equate him with any American politician that has come before him. My brothers, we shouldn't argue politics regarding Trump, we should argue sanity.

 

[fishonjazz]

We can go back and forth all day, but in my opinion it's not about politics right now, it's about Trump; and the debasement of our societal norms that he has fostered/accelerated. He sets a terrible precedent, far beyond the behavior of any President before him. It's not refreshing, it's not telling it like it is. A American President should at least endeavor to stay above the fray of the worst of behavior, but Trump can't help but be at the very bottom of the pit shoveling the ****. He's a very bad person. And he is ****ing crazy. You cannot equate him with any American politician that has come before him. My brothers, we shouldn't argue politics regarding Trump, we should argue sanity.

This.

There should be no partisanship when it comes to trump. Republicans, democrats, and everyone else should be against him. He isn't the same as Clinton, Obama, bush, Reagan, etc etc. He is much much worse than all of them.

 

[Archie Moses]

For decades, we didn't need to detain families. Those claiming asylum show up for their court dates at better than a 99% rate.

So, why the sudden need to detain them at all?

What time frame are you referring to?

 

[gandalfe]

Besides, it’s a proven fact, and facts should matter, immigrants are the least likely population to commit crime.

I was also reading about a study that showed the the children of immigrants generally outperform those whose families have been here for generations.

 

[Harambe]

You're completely right. I have no idea why they changed, but since they are both religious, I'm guessing it was for political reasons - but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and say I have no idea why they changed. I don't. I used that as an example cause he called Trump a rapist. I'm assuming he thinks Trump is a rapist because he bragged about grabbing them by the ***** back in, what, 2005? So same concept could be applied there.
I like Obama. I don't care for Hillary. I understand people change in politics and I don't get outraged by politicians who do. I roll my eyes at people who wave other's changes (in whatever the case) in their face. People change. Society changes. We evolve.
It's crazy how much I've changed, in my personal life, over the last 10 years. I used to be super religious and believed in what my religion taught. I believed in religion because I found refuge in it and I had, let's just say, a rough childhood.
I remember one time, back in 2007 I took a video game back to Blockbuster because it had gay characters in it. I actually told the guy at the counter that's the reason I was taking it back because I didn't support it. I absolutely cringe thinking about that. I was ignorant, naive, and convicted, and cultured.
I'm glad of all of my life experiences and the opportunity for growth they've given me. I'm proud of how I've changed and who I am. I'm still changing and forever want to keep changing. I certainly don't have all the right answers. One of my favorite things about this board is how much posters have influenced me and changed my perspectives and ideologies.

I would say donnie may have changed.. but there's so much dirtbaggage it's just hard for me to consider it. From adultry while his wife was pregnant, dirty deals to cover that up, the nearly verified Russian pee incidents, MULTIPLE allegations from different women, and knowing exactly what he was doing with the zero tolerance policy, the cards just aren't there for a full house.

Either way, if the case is made for a baker to deny business over homosexuality, the case should certainly be made for a restaurant to deny the spokesperson for an administration doing something far more wrong... sure, far more evil, than same sex love.

 

[Archie Moses]

I would say donnie may have changed.. but there's so much dirtbaggage it's just hard for me to consider it. From adultry while his wife was pregnant, dirty deals to cover that up, the nearly verified Russian pee incidents, MULTIPLE allegations from different women, and knowing exactly what he was doing with the zero tolerance policy, the cards just aren't there for a full house.

Either way, if the case is made for a baker to deny business over homosexuality, the case should certainly be made for a restaurant to deny the spokesperson for an administration doing something far more wrong... sure, far more evil, than same sex love.

Good post.
I agree with pretty much everything you say.

I do think mistreating people for political reasons is a slippery slope too. Where do you start and draw the line? So many politicians have their scandles, lie, cheat, etc. It's going to turn into the norm, imo and then what?

I hope the next president is one we all want and need to mend the divide in the country. It's sad seeing it like this. I love the US.

 

[Harambe]

Where you draw the line has to live with each person. There's not a blanket statement that's going to apply, and it shouldn't be law. If the public decides there needs to be a line, I'd go for something along the lines of you must [serve, help, service.. whatever] this person, regardless of[any discriminatory] class if what you're serving is an essential service, can not reasonably be obtained elsewhere.

But I'd strongly oppose even that verbiage.

I'm not sure where I, personally, draw the line. I work in healthcare, my "customer" is clinical staff. Not all clinical staff are good people. I know my work helps saves my healthcare network(and our patients) money, time, heartache, and other hardships. I'm not sure where I'd draw the line. I'm not sure if we found Hitler alive but needing medical attention I'd make my tools unusable for his care.

But if I was a lemonade vendor on the street? A pedicab? Uber driver? I can feel within me there's a sliding scale, pending how disturbed I am by X person. But I don't know how to quantify or express that.