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Game Thread Nov 15, 2022 07:00PM MT: Jazz vs Knicks

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Absolutely no doubt the worst loss of the season.

All the stupid turnovers were about as infuriating as it gets. Clarkson trying a bounce pass between three guys on the Knicks...I don't even understand how a professional basketball player even tries a pass that dumb.
 
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Just watch the replay , was too busy at office. Really a tanking effort tonight, poor and stupid shoot selection, lack of rebound. Sexton is useless, Clarkson back to brainless player.... only Kessler and Fontecchio were correct. If we don't regroup fast, time will come to set up the tank. I'm not too worry, if we play like that we are perfect for a lot of 2-8 series.....
 
This is the team you were looking for. The earlier team was what they can become. But this is the tanking team we all expected. But so far we probably haven't seen the real Utah jazz yet.
 
This is the team you were looking for. The earlier team was what they can become. But this is the tanking team we all expected. But so far we probably haven't seen the real Utah jazz yet.
No i wasn't actually. I always tought this team can go both way and still think it's the case. Level is quite high this year in West conference and we can ended between 4 to 14 . Let's see . I still enjoy to see the game even if today one was awful.
 
I managed to watch through the game and it wasnt as bad as I thought based on the comments. We moved the ball much better and took better shots.

Few takeaways:
1) I think Hardys system has revealed its biggest flaw. It sort of assumes everyone is shooting equally well, and if one guy is hot and the other one is cold it just fails. JC and Conley didnt force shots against bad looks this time... they were pretty open on their shots. Only problem was they werent hitting them. We went 3/13 from 3 on the 4th (Lauri 2/2, others 1/11), and 5/23 from the field.
2) When Lauri came in from the bench, I felt like he brought in great energy and got us some momentum. He hit 2/2 threes and had one big block, but the problem was he had already used the 2 shots allowance he has for 4th quarters. Oh and btw, one of those shots was after he stepped out with his own rebound after Conley miss. This is infuriating. Feed him if he is fired up.
3) Our defense wasnt great but it wasnt horrible either. We definitely struggled with their guards driving and shooting, but I feel like we contested their shots better than they did ours. Paint defense was weak at times, but it didnt kill us really... especially not in the 4th.
4) JC was a problem. He didnt take bad shots, but he had like 1 good assist (that kickout to Conley) and several mistakes leading to turnovers. His chemistry with Lauri is suddenly questionnable. But the bigger problem is he has gone so cold shooting, while still leading the team in FGA every game it seems.
5) KO was fantastic offensively. He was also rebounding so much better than we have seen all year. Always with better leverage. Loved it.
6) Conley needs a rest.
7) Vando was good at rebounding, and that was about it for him. I laughed when he passed backwards to Conley when KO had wide open 3pt looks right in front of him after he got offensive board.
8) Sexton tried passing more than before. Some growing pains, but I hope he keeps working on it.
 
Quite agree with your resume.

Point 8 is still a concern for me. Sexton seems to be not clever at alll when he goes to move the ball. But as i say he is young and back from a serious injury. Le'ts give him some time.
 
Quite agree with your resume.

Point 8 is still a concern for me. Sexton seems to be not clever at alll when he goes to move the ball. But as i say he is young and back from a serious injury. Le'ts give him some time.
Yeah but at least now he was moving the ball more and dribbling less. We need that from him if he ever plans to be more than the 6th man. So lets stay patient with some of those the sloppy mistakes.
 
struggling shooters , bad turnovers

JC 5/16, 3/11 from 3
Mike 3/10 , 1/6 from 3
Beasley 5/12, 3/8 from 3
Lauri 5/11
sexton 1/5

Can't really point at 1 guy here. It seems that defenses are focusing on conley, Clarkson and lauri. Giving them fits, denying passes, pushing them out of their comfort zones. Plenty of times Mike drives but just fall back or pass it to somebody at the perimeter. Which means the play has been neutralised. Clarkson OTOH I see his defender put more body on him, sticking closer especially at the beginning. They don't want him to start a fire like what he always do. By the time he gets the ball he just mindlessly shoots. Defense is forcing him to play old JC 6th man and not the new JC the playmaker. He need to bring back the deadly floaters and forget the fade away jump shots. Lauri they are hacking him, pushing him. Forcing him to dribble which results mostly into turnovers. He need to flop or act. Yeah it's silly but he need to let the refs know or else they won't call it. also need to stop the over passing.
 
I'm in a bad mood.

- Those jerseys are really awful. The players don't have a choice, but when we are at home and I see fans wearing them, it just makes it worse.
- This was supposed to be a stress free season. My plan for 9EST games was to watch the first half, go to bed, and catch the second half on the all possessions recap. Instead I'm staying up like an idiot and getting 5-6 hrs of sleep.
- Watching us get outworked isn't pretty. The Knicks level of effort throughout the game was pretty impressive though.
- Losing to the Knicks with MTJK on this board is unbearable.
 
Lauri needs the lion's share of the offensive touches. We need to get Clarkson to play off the ball and move the ball through Conley/THT, maybe Beasley, and get Lauri way more involved. He is easily our best offensive player, frankly best player all around. Getting him only 11 shots while Conley and Clarkson combine for 26 is ridiculous and a great recipe to rack up the losses. If we are embracing the tank, then fine, but otherwise Hardy needs to figure out how to get Lauri more involved in the offense. He doesn't seem to really run plays for anyone, just general ball movement to find an open shot, any open shot, regardless who is taking it. That is fine, to a point, but to win some of these games he needs some bread and butter plays in his play-book to activate his best offensive players, who at this point are Lauri and Beasley. Like Stockton to Malone pick and roll, and the screen and roll with Gobert to initiate the offense, he needs a go-to play that can pressure the defense and get his best offensive players their best shot. Right now to be honest it looks a lot like a college offensive set, even high school. When I was coaching in Reno, we ran motion offense similarly because we had some good mid-range to outside shooters and no real go-to guy. That is what Hardy is running now, as if he doesn't have a go-to guy. So, consequently, the primary ball-handlers get the most shots. That is fine when one of them is a Mitchell level player, but in this group it isn't ideal. Both Conley and Clarkson are hot and cold streak shooters. Lauri and Beasley are the most consistent. Yet they get fewer looks than Conley/Clarkson. That has to change if we want to win. If we are tanking, we can just carry on as we are going.
 
Absolutely no doubt the worst loss of the season.

All the stupid turnovers were about as infuriating as it gets. Clarkson trying a bounce pass between three guys on the Knicks...I don't even understand how a professional basketball player even tries a pass that dumb.
He’s like some hipster fashionista now, had to wonder if he was tripping on some new synthetic drug or something!
 
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