O/U on Walker Kessler 3pt Attempts for Season

[rjfan]

If that’s the case the o/u should be a lot higher. I think he’s only made one I can remember that wasn’t at the beginning of the game or second half.

I don’t love it personally as I think duck ins and deep post is more valuable as a tool (to be switching teams) but as long as the three isn’t a huge focus and he’s working on FT shooting way more then whatever.

I imagine in general that they working his shooting form and range in general should translate to long midrange and FTs. It's hard to find 34% 3pt shooters that hit below 70% from the line.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I imagine in general that they working his shooting form and range in general should translate to long midrange and FTs. It's hard to find 34% 3pt shooters that hit below 70% from the line.

Certainly not mutually exclusive but the ideal FT form will not directly translate to the three point line and vice versa. He has a lot going on in his shooting and I think you could make his FT form much more compact and it would help. May not get that compact on a catch and shoot three.

Camping in the corner pulls him out of rebounding position as well… can crash from there but it’s not the same as sliding in from the dunkers spot. I’m not opposed to him developing it… by all means go for it… I just don’t see it as something that should be his focus. If he ends up a 40% corner three shooter and centers can’t just hang out in the paint it’s great.

 

[rjfan]

Certainly not mutually exclusive but the ideal FT form will not directly translate to the three point line and vice versa. He has a lot going on in his shooting and I think you could make his FT form much more compact and it would help. May not get that compact on a catch and shoot three.

Camping in the corner pulls him out of rebounding position as well… can crash from there but it’s not the same as sliding in from the dunkers spot. I’m not opposed to him developing it… by all means go for it… I just don’t see it as something that should be his focus. If he ends up a 40% corner three shooter and centers can’t just hang out in the paint it’s great.

One thing where extended range - not just 3 pointers, but midrange too - would give to his game is handoff actions like Sabonis at Sacramento (that should actually spread along the league, as they make for a way of using Kerr's playbook without a Steph Curry).

They ran those at the preseason, but no one will follow you there in the regular season, let alone the playoffs, If you can't make them. And playing for Team USA (he'll not be around in Paris for revenge team, but should be expected around in future WCs and Olympics) with Kerr at helm he'll learn plenty of these handoff actions.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Certainly not mutually exclusive but the ideal FT form will not directly translate to the three point line and vice versa. He has a lot going on in his shooting and I think you could make his FT form much more compact and it would help. May not get that compact on a catch and shoot three.

Camping in the corner pulls him out of rebounding position as well… can crash from there but it’s not the same as sliding in from the dunkers spot. I’m not opposed to him developing it… by all means go for it… I just don’t see it as something that should be his focus. If he ends up a 40% corner three shooter and centers can’t just hang out in the paint it’s great.

Until he shoots well over 30% from the corner, he's doing more harm than good there. He's gonna be left wide open because teams will WANT him to take that shot, and I'm afraid our guards will keep passing him the ball "because he's open".

And yes... he'll be out of rebounding position as well.

Overall, I don't think anything's preventing Walker from becoming a pretty good shooter if he works with a coach who knows what they're doing. He has good hands and a soft touch, and he's a good passer for a young big IMO so there's nothing wrong with his hand/eye coordination. But his FT's have waaaaaaayyyyyyy too many moving parts. Those basic things need correcting.

 

[FrenchJazzFa]

He have to improve FT first. If he can shoot 3at 30/40 and 30%, will be a good start.
He will shoot more than Rudy ( Rudy shoot one 3 today and miss it ).

 

[HermanG]

Certainly not mutually exclusive but the ideal FT form will not directly translate to the three point line and vice versa. He has a lot going on in his shooting and I think you could make his FT form much more compact and it would help. May not get that compact on a catch and shoot three.

Camping in the corner pulls him out of rebounding position as well… can crash from there but it’s not the same as sliding in from the dunkers spot. I’m not opposed to him developing it… by all means go for it… I just don’t see it as something that should be his focus. If he ends up a 40% corner three shooter and centers can’t just hang out in the paint it’s great.

If he develops a bit of gravity and pulls the center out of the paint I think it might actually benefit our offensive rebounding.

Not a lot of teams have guys who can outrebound Lauri and John at the 3 and 4, so if the centers are out we have some edge there.

 

[fishonjazz]

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[Handlogten's Heros]

Until he shoots well over 30% from the corner, he's doing more harm than good there. He's gonna be left wide open because teams will WANT him to take that shot, and I'm afraid our guards will keep passing him the ball "because he's open".

And yes... he'll be out of rebounding position as well.

Overall, I don't think anything's preventing Walker from becoming a pretty good shooter if he works with a coach who knows what they're doing. He has good hands and a soft touch, and he's a good passer for a young big IMO so there's nothing wrong with his hand/eye coordination. But his FT's have waaaaaaayyyyyyy too many moving parts. Those basic things need correcting.

Pretty much my thoughts… even down to the mechanics having a lot going on.

 

[LogGrad98]

I think he gets more than 20 in the season. I think they need to just give him a standard scenario and let it play out. Something like, hey if you get the ball at the top of the key and options 1-3 are stymied, then shooting it is option 4. So they stop one hand-off, they front the next guy and the third guy gets bothered, then Kessler just takes the shot. If he even hits a few it will at least stop them from just sagging back and clogging the paint when he has the ball.

I'm hoping this is the case because even with Rudy it was ****ing frustrating seeing him stand at the top of the key looking for someone to pass to while his guy is 15 feet away from him and finally hand the ball off to Mitchell or whatever for a last-second fading heave from 30 feet when they could have just had Rudy take the ****ing shot with at least the same chance of making it as that last second ******** they got by absolutely forbidding him from ever shooting. It was just so stupid. So hopefully they learn and open Kessler up to say, hey look for option 1 and 2 and if they are taken away and you're open, just let it fly. I doubt it will ever become a real weapon but the option is better than just standing there waiting for something to develop from nothing.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

So hopefully they learn and open Kessler up to say, hey look for option 1 and 2 and if they are taken away and you're open, just let it fly. I doubt it will ever become a real weapon but the option is better than just standing there waiting for something to develop from nothing.

Yeah... but then again, that's exactly the outcome the other team is hoping for. I mean, other than a shot clock violation, that's literally what they want. Not ideal.

This is the problem with having a total non-shooter in your starting lineup these days. When you have to build your offense partly around the huge hole in one guy's skill set, you're immediately handicapping yourself and making it more difficult for the other players. That's why guys like Kessler rarely play starter minutes.

Last season, Walker's defensive impact was pretty huge because he changed and blocked so many shots near the rim. That lessened the net impact of his non-shooting. Remains to be seen if teams have learned to adapt to his presence. The more he is game planned for, the more he has to learn to shoot.

 

[HermanG]

Yeah... but then again, that's exactly the outcome the other team is hoping for. I mean, other than a shot clock violation, that's literally what they want. Not ideal.

This is the problem with having a total non-shooter in your starting lineup these days. When you have to build your offense partly around the huge hole in one guy's skill set, you're immediately handicapping yourself and making it more difficult for the other players. That's why guys like Kessler rarely play starter minutes.

Last season, Walker's defensive impact was pretty huge because he changed and blocked so many shots near the rim. That lessened the net impact of his non-shooting. Remains to be seen if teams have learned to adapt to his presence. The more he is game planned for, the more he has to learn to shoot.

Dude there are tons of bad or non shooters starting in the NBA. Including half the starting centers, one perennial MVP candidate, a lot of 4s including some good ones (Mobley comes to mind) and even some backcourt players.

You are a massive drama queen.

 

[whatthe]

It's the year of the gimmick, I will go over.