Obama Government Shutdown?

[franklin]

Particularly when they are still getting paid....
(I wonder about their staff members...)


EDIT: found one answer

https://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/09/30/how-congress-will-still-get-paid-in-a-government-shutdown.html

There was a R party pusher on CNN tonight who Wolf questioned on this. TBH, I was at first very annoyed by what seemed like coy answers, but agreed with him after he was finally given a chance to explain himself. His position was that a) no shutdown in the past hasn't been fully paid for after the fact, and b) he'd vote for congress pay furlough when the pay deadline comes. That's the correct stance, IMO, and I have no doubt the republicans would take it if nothing more than a pr push. But I also think they see it as the right thing to do (congress isn't evil).

Personally as a state worker, our job security can't be taken for granted. Everyone in the private sector risks getting dumped immediately when industry shock hits but we don't. Also, in my position I'd love a furlough as it's extra vacation. Pay me for it after the fact? No brainer. I understand why others wouldn't want a furlough though, but no way I'm claiming victim if it hit me.

 

[franklin]

At the end of the day, I really hope this is the last manufactured crisis-desperate attempt at defeating Obamacare. I'm no fan of Obamacare and want it completely overhauled, but I'm plenty tired of the Tea Party holding America hostage. It's the law, time to move on.

But neither party is happy with it so, alas, we'll continue fighting ideologically until one party looks too stupid to support. That's the GOP.

 

[Stoked]

At the end of the day, I really hope this is the last manufactured crisis-desperate attempt at defeating Obamacare. I'm no fan of Obamacare and want it completely overhauled, but I'm plenty tired of the Tea Party holding America hostage. It's the law, time to move on.

But neither party is happy with it so, alas, we'll continue fighting ideologically until one party looks too stupid to support. That's the GOP.

I'm already there with both.

 

[♪alt13]

At the end of the day, I really hope this is the last manufactured crisis-desperate attempt at defeating Obamacare. I'm no fan of Obamacare and want it completely overhauled, but I'm plenty tired of the Tea Party holding America hostage. It's the law, time to move on.

But neither party is happy with it so, alas, we'll continue fighting ideologically until one party looks too stupid to support. That's the GOP.

I think identifying a group and holding such vitriolic feelings towards them is a large part of why we are in this mess.

I am a Tea Partier and a 99 percenter I think both have posed reasonable grievances with the state of American political power. I think your average liberal and conservative would agree on many more issues than one would imagine. Both parties love this kind of showdown that gives them the opportunity to demonize the others base. We all need to quit buying into the media spin because while we are having an ideological showdown wall street is robbing us blind.

 

[♪alt13]

You do understand the difference between Obamacare and the Patriot Act, right? Nobody ran on a platform of Patriot Act. I think the Obamacare argument being put forward here is less "it's law, leave it" and more "it was an essential part of the winning presidential campaign" and what's more "anti-Obamacare was an even more substantial part of the losing campaign". Mandates and all that. It's different.

The people representatives(as already pointed out by stoked) that are trying to repeal Obamacare got elected to do so.

Romney lost because he is an elitist douche bag who couldn't run an anti obamacare campaign because he supported and signed similar legislation in Massachusetts.

PS yeah I understand the difference you are for one and against the other. I will remember your "winning presidential campaign" bit when we have a republican president. When Bush was in office I wish the Dems would have done something this ballsy to keep derail his agenda.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Lets not keep beating around the bush here.

Special interest groups.

some of y'all act like youd solve anything in dc. Right. Let's see how you act when Mr Koch offers you big bucks to be an obstructionist a hole as he has done to the tea party. The tea party is nothing more than the party of the Koch bros.

It's no surprise to me that the Citizens United ruling correlates with the most partisan and pathetic Congress in recent memory.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Again, you are the problem. Who said to axe the whole program? It is because of people like you, with attitudes like yours, that will not allow anyone to have an intelligent conversation and figure out solutions.

You don't know who I am, what half of my political opinions are, nor do you have any semblance of what my 'attitude' is like. In all irony, the most of us are having fairly rational conversations-- while you jump in with your emotional tirades.


But that's your prerogative, I suppose. Seems like you've cooled down a bit, fortunately.

 

[Dr. Jones]

^no good hipster problem maker.

 

[Stoked]

Lets not keep beating around the bush here.

Special interest groups.

Stoked and some of y'all act like youd solve anything in dc. Right. Let's see how you act when Mr Koch offers you big bucks to be an obstructionist a hole as he has done to the tea party. The tea party is nothing more than the party of the Koch bros.

About as much as Mr Soros would offer you.

As for linking me to the tea party stop. Screw the tea party.

 

[Deleted member 848]

^no good hipster problem maker.

^ filthy selfish 1%er

 

[Deleted member 365]

Funny. Chaffetz and Matheson are refusing their checks. But Mikey Pee will still be accepting his. What a loser. I can't stand Mike Lee. What a complete D bag

 

[♪alt13]

Lets not keep beating around the bush here.

Special interest groups.

some of y'all act like youd solve anything in dc. Right. Let's see how you act when Mr Koch offers you big bucks to be an obstructionist a hole as he has done to the tea party. The tea party is nothing more than the party of the Koch bros.

It's no surprise to me that the Citizens United ruling correlates with the most partisan and pathetic Congress in recent memory.

Citizens United was a Supreme Court decision. How does a partisan Congress have anything to do with it?

Citizens United gets criticized all too often for the wrong reason. Corporations, labor Unions, Charities, churches, etc do need protection under the law specifically First Amendment protection. These entities having protection under the law is not the problem. The problem is the ruling that money is speech. Money is currency/commerce(constitutionally speaking) and so the federal government should have the authority to regulate political donations.