Obama Government Shutdown?

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Alot of religious types are terrified by that.

More than Tom sellecks chest hair and short shorts?

 

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To be honest I am getting the same vide from them both.

 

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Oh, don't mess with him.

Seriously scares the **** out of me.

 

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Treasury Secretary Lew says that checks to medicare, Social Security and the Military will be the first to be cut in a debt ceiling default.

Sigh...

 

[Revolution 9]

This tactic for not funding our government is flat out wrong. Especially when the debate is over. The bill passed did it not?

If the dems ever do this I'll blast them for it.

We can't keep having this debate especially when it's covered in lies. Both parties are spending too much. Some of those well known tea party congressmen have asked for "pork" money for their own pet projects. They'll blast anything that not theirs, but be around the corner asking for their share. Both parties are bought out by corporations, and lobbyists in varying degrees.

We need to take the power back as a people. The more we are apart we are, the more power they have. There are good people on the right, and left.
Obama isn't out to get you. You may disagree with him, but he's not a bad man.

I think some Rage Against the Machine is in order. I have some frustration to get out.

 

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This tactic for not funding our government is flat out wrong. Especially when the debate is over. The bill passed did it not?

If the dems ever do this I'll blast them for it.

We can't keep having this debate especially when it's covered in lies. Both parties are spending too much. Some of those well known tea party congressmen have asked for "pork" money for their own pet projects. They'll blast anything that not theirs, but be around the corner asking for their share. Both parties are bought out by corporations, and lobbyists in varying degrees.

We need to take the power back as a people. The more we are apart we are, the more power they have. There are good people on the right, and left.
Obama isn't out to get you. You may disagree with him, but he's not a bad man.

I think some Rage Against the Machine is in order. I have some frustration to get out.

That's what I am talking about. Kudos Rev!!!

 

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This tactic for not funding our government is flat out wrong. Especially when the debate is over. The bill passed did it not?

If the dems ever do this I'll blast them for it.

We can't keep having this debate especially when it's covered in lies. Both parties are spending too much. Some of those well known tea party congressmen have asked for "pork" money for their own pet projects. They'll blast anything that not theirs, but be around the corner asking for their share. Both parties are bought out by corporations, and lobbyists in varying degrees.

We need to take the power back as a people. The more we are apart we are, the more power they have. There are good people on the right, and left.
Obama isn't out to get you. You may disagree with him, but he's not a bad man.

I think some Rage Against the Machine is in order. I have some frustration to get out.

Isn't this a good reason to do what Tea partiers prescribe? Remove some of the funding and responsibility from Washington and turn it over to the states where the average citizen has a greater chance of making an impact in the debate. I'm not saying that they are 100% in the right but if you quite slandering them and considered at least some of their ideas, you might find some common ground.

The politicians respond as they believe their base would have them do. You sound like a member of the dems base and you would have them railroad the republicans to get what they want. So, why are you surprised when the republicans take drastic measures to be heard on an issue that they feel they were largely left out of? What they are doing isn't right but it's caused by the dems base as much as the gops.

 

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This tactic for not funding our government is flat out wrong. Especially when the debate is over. The bill passed did it not?

If the dems ever do this I'll blast them for it.

We can't keep having this debate especially when it's covered in lies. Both parties are spending too much. Some of those well known tea party congressmen have asked for "pork" money for their own pet projects. They'll blast anything that not theirs, but be around the corner asking for their share. Both parties are bought out by corporations, and lobbyists in varying degrees.

We need to take the power back as a people. The more we are apart we are, the more power they have. There are good people on the right, and left.
Obama isn't out to get you. You may disagree with him, but he's not a bad man.

I think some Rage Against the Machine is in order. I have some frustration to get out.

I think you are more of a cool head than most people. I could probably sit down with you and negotiate a deal that would work.

Pelosi argued when passing the ACA that we needed to pass it so we could see what it was, because, apparently, she does not know how to read, and in fact almost nobody read the ACA.

We now know that it is turning a lot of full time jobs into part-time jobs, and massively turning people out of existing insurance coverage from their work. Do you think that is a tolerable if unintended result?

If you don't think that's OK, you need to get on board with the discussion of just stipping it's implementation and producing a bill that won't do that.

 

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Isn't this a good reason to do what Tea partiers prescribe? Remove some of the funding and responsibility from Washington and turn it over to the states where the average citizen has a greater chance of making an impact in the debate. I'm not saying that they are 100% in the right but if you quite slandering them and considered at least some of their ideas, you might find some common ground.

The politicians respond as they believe their base would have them do. You sound like a member of the dems base and you would have them railroad the republicans to get what they want. So, why are you surprised when the republicans take drastic measures to be heard on an issue that they feel they were largely left out of? What they are doing isn't right but it's caused by the dems base as much as the gops.

Of course there is some good at the root of their message. That's the case for almost everyone. Less spending sounds great when you say it out loud. Now which programs we cut is where things get dicey.

I get what you are saying about the Republicans protecting their base. However at some point you have to respect the higher overall good of the country.
Fighting for what you believe in is fine, but not when you have clearly lost the issue. It's time to move on. It's passed. You can't go backwards. It's
time to move forward, and improve what we have. It's not just "what the dems want". It's what passed. I respect that a large number of people think differently. Do you respect that as of now the majority does not agree with you? Lets respect each others views, and feelings, but most importantly respect the results of bill that passed, the national election, and the fact the dems were voted majority in 2/3 of the Government in Washington.

Fair?

 

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I think you are more of a cool head than most people. I could probably sit down with you and negotiate a deal that would work.

Pelosi argued when passing the ACA that we needed to pass it so we could see what it was, because, apparently, she does not know how to read, and in fact almost nobody read the ACA.

We now know that it is turning a lot of full time jobs into part-time jobs, and massively turning people out of existing insurance coverage from their work. Do you think that is a tolerable if unintended result?

If you don't think that's OK, you need to get on board with the discussion of just stipping it's implementation and producing a bill that won't do that.

I really dislike Pelosi for some reason. She comes off snooty, and arrogant. Don't hate her, but something about her rubs me the wrong way.

This ACA is flawed. It was a compromise to begin with, and will need to be improved.

"We now know that it is turning a lot of full time jobs into part-time jobs"
Let's give this some time shall we. How long has this thing been running?
I wouldn't begin to truly evaluate the real impact of this until this time next year.

 

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Of course there is some good at the root of their message. That's the case for almost everyone. Less spending sounds great when you say it out loud. Now which programs we cut is where things get dicey.

I get what you are saying about the Republicans protecting their base. However at some point you have to respect the higher overall good of the country.
Fighting for what you believe in is fine, but not when you have clearly lost the issue. It's time to move on. It's passed. You can't go backwards. It's
time to move forward, and improve what we have. It's not just "what the dems want". It's what passed. I respect that a large number of people think differently.
Do you respect that as of now the majority does not agree with you? Lets respect each others views, and feelings, but most importantly respect the results of bill that passed, the national election, and the fact the dems were voted majority in 2/3 of the Government in Washington.

Fair?

I agree on the cuts part of your message. Unfortunately I do not trust either side at all to make appropriate cuts. They will both go after their oponnents golden eggs.

Cut a non partisan group to review federal sepnding, all spending, and have them submit a list of what needs to be cut and have DC make it happen.

 

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Of course there is some good at the root of their message. That's the case for almost everyone. Less spending sounds great when you say it out loud. Now which programs we cut is where things get dicey.
Not if you block grant the money back to the states as many Tea party people have suggested. For instance the TPers would like to get rid of the federal department of education because they think they do a poor job. So they have suggested that instead we send that money directly to the states and let them decide what to do with it.
I get what you are saying about the Republicans protecting their base. However at some point you have to respect the higher overall good of the country. Dems too
Fighting for what you believe in is fine, but not when you have clearly lost the issue. It's time to move on. It's passed. You can't go backwards. It's
time to move forward, and improve what we have. Can't you see that neither side is really fighting about obamacare anymore? It is just a pissing contest because more than anything both bases just want to see their side win. Dem or Rep people have no idea what is in the bill nor do they care. It's not just "what the dems want". It's what passed. Without a single republican vote mind you. What did you think was going to happen? I respect that a large number of people think differently.
Do you respect that as of now the majority does not agree with you? About what? I was only making the point that you cannot expect your elected officials to compromise if you don't actually want them to. You can't call for bipartisanship and in the same breath say that the opposition are irrational buffoons. Lets respect each others views, and feelings, but most importantly respect the results of bill that passed, the national election, and the fact the dems were voted majority in 2/3 of the Government in Washington.

Fair?

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