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Obama might be the best President in 100 years.

Depends on your axiomatic mindset.

I think what really happened is public rejection of the way things are. Public awareness conflicting with management.

The progressives got rattled and lost their patience, pushed too hard.

Overall, this is a historic turning point. People worldwide want a more traditional life, more freedom, less bad management.

So you've gone from speaking for the American people, to speaking for the entire human species! LOL.

There is nothing stopping you from living a more "traditional life". What the traditionalists really want is to prevent others from living their lives differently. Let freedom ring!
 
So you've gone from speaking for the American people, to speaking for the entire human species! LOL.

There is nothing stopping you from living a more "traditional life". What the traditionalists really want is to prevent others from living their lives differently. Let freedom ring!

might be true of some terrorists falsely claiming the mantle of Islam, or some other ideological folks..... oh, say. . . . how about American progressives/pushers for globalism. . . .but most human beings don't really care that much what others do if they're doing what they care to do themselves......
 
might be true of some terrorists falsely claiming the mantle of Islam, or some other ideological folks..... oh, say. . . . how about American progressives/pushers for globalism. . . .but most human beings don't really care that much what others do if they're doing what they care to do themselves......

Ya, I come from the Muslims world. Over there, I'd say a good 90% would NOT be okay with others doing what they want, if it differs from their version of tradition. Same applies to most traditionalists I've met. Nothing is stopping a traditionalist from doing what they want. They can pray at school if they so choose, but that's not enough. You must pray too! They're free to marry whoever they want, but you must also marry who they want too.

I support globalism because I think it efficiently pushes technology forward and improves people's lives, although I'd go at it differently (make sure that everyone benefits from pro-growth policies by directly redistributing a % of the GDP back to the people). Apparently, many people don't like it, and they voted against it this election. A big chunk of the population is okay with it (phoney progressives, not real people, I know). Once they figure out that Trump and his people have no real solutions, people will change their tune.

The thing is, I don't completely disagree with your worldview. A bunch of elites think they know what's best for everyone, and they proceed to shape the world to their vision. There is little accountability for when they're wrong, and they have created a mess worldwide thru their "bad management". I just cannot stand your proclamations of what people REALLY want, and how they world REALLY is. It's tedious and nonsensical.
 
Most people find a lot of what others say "tedious and nonsensical", although perhaps it varies in degree, and I might seem more so to more folks. I try to say something that isn't "off the shelf" exactly, and truthfully, most people don't really listen to others. They will listen just enough to get the jist and put it in a box and be done with it.

Let's deal with this statistically. "most" is a claim about 50% or more. What people say may not be what they think, it depends on purpose and context, and in your part of the world, that 90% if it is accurate to what you hear might include a lot of people saying stuff because it's expected. I don't know that I can sustain the claim at the 50% level, but my point is perhaps best stated as "more people than you think" are willing to live and let live with a larger number of issues than perhaps it seems from the rhetorical exhibits.

I see the possible advantages and in some cases the actual positives of globalism programs, and my rhetoric is aimed at challenging "the management" to do better, at getting a few people interested in the issues. I would organize international cooperation on development under a different vision for mankind that engages and empowers sthe ordinary folk much better.
 
Quick question, what would you guys say was Obama's defining achievement over the past 8 years?

Even though I think obamacare is a mess and needs to be replaced it did start us down a path we have needed to go down for a long time. I hope we can get some lawmakers that can actually build on it and maintain some momentum toward true universal health care.
 
But could one argue that was more to do with the army doing their thing? Was it a policy specific to Obama to get rid of Osama?
Thing is when something happens under a presidents time whether good or bad he gets the credit or the blame. So it really doesn't matter how much involvement he had, he still gets the credit.

I would also say getting out of a recession was another one.
I remember lots of layoffs and my hours getting cut drastically back around 2008 and I was very worried about having a job and paying my bills.

Now I'm getting more overtime than I ever had in my life and making more money than at any point in my life.

Also there was a Marijuana legalization revolution that occurred recently and that was pretty cool.
 
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