Game Thread Oct 20, 2021 07:00PM MT: Jazz vs. Thunder

[infection]

U crazy if u think I’m gonna listen to 23:00 minutes of that dude.

If you listen on triple speed it’s only about 7.5 minutes.

 

[KqWIN]

I thought Whiteside was mostly solid. Did some good things… did some bad things. I was not longing for Favs… the cost difference is enormous. Could have done without the two post ups but one came against a smaller dude and the other came after he got an offensive rebound and kicked it out.

I think all year he’s they type of guy we will look for the dumb ****. Even though he does some good stuff it will largely be ignored or considered empty calories. He’s a backup 5… just keep us afloat and give us some good with the bad.

We won’t appreciate Whiteside until Dok plays (if he ever does) and we see a player that does nothing well.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Being +1 in 19 minutes against the Thunder.... This performance is confirming something for you?

Individual plus minus in one game is not helpful... I know you know that.

I think with Hassan you have to look at what good things he did vs. the bad things... if it is roughly even its fine. He had a couple blocks, was all over the glass, and generally looked to be trying to do the right things... he was also kind of funny (he gets an entertainment factor bonus). He gave up a couple easy ones on missed rotations.. he took two hook shots that are not what we are looking for.

Overall I take his game last night as solid. He was good enough to maintain a healthy lead in the fourth against a ****** team which allowed Rudy to get some extra rest. Anytime we can get 19 minutes out of him in a win vs. 12 it is helpful.

He didn't seem to **** the offense up too bad. He looked better on both ends than Ed Davis ever did... On a minimum deal I think he exceeded expectations... Lets see how he looks after 15-20 games... I may be ready to get off the roller coaster.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

We won’t appreciate Whiteside until Dok plays (if he ever does) and we see a player that does nothing well.

We need to go back and watch Ed Davis tape every time we get too whiny.

I also am viewing everything Whiteside from the perspective that come playoff time unless the other team has a huge backup center we will go small and use Gay/Paschall at 4/5. Hassan is an innings eater in the regular season.

 

[Nate505]

Huh, I know I'm not a basketball expert, but I thought Whiteside looked ok out there for a backup Center. He definitely fouled too much but I remember Ed Davis playing and the difference is like night and day.

 

[KqWIN]

We need to go back and watch Ed Davis tape every time we get too whiny.

I also am viewing everything Whiteside from the perspective that come playoff time unless the other team has a huge backup center we will go small and use Gay/Paschall at 4/5. Hassan is an innings eater in the regular season.

That’s kind of where I am with Whiteside. I don’t think he’s a bad innings eater. He’s just not going to be playable in the playoffs and I’m not saying that because he had a bad series or two. His weaknesses are just too easy to exploit in a series.

With that in mind, I’d rather just invest more in Paschall/Gay (idc who you want to call the 5) during the RS. They might be just as bad….I’ve said multiple times that going small doesn’t really help us unless other things improve…but at the very least it engages the other players into playing more defense because they have to. We need as many defensive reps as possible where we are not relying on Gobert or another traditional big to do everything.

I would at least like to see a regular rotation between different options once Gay is back. I’m high on Paschall right now and don’t want to send him into the doghouse.

I think we end up only playing one of these 3 when the rotation gets tight deep into the playoffs. I’m relatively high on Paschall and less optimistic about Gay, so I could see Paschall emerge ahead of Gay by the end of the year and be that guy.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

That’s kind of where I am with Whiteside. I don’t think he’s a bad innings eater. He’s just not going to be playable in the playoffs and I’m not saying that because he had a bad series or two. His weaknesses are just too easy to exploit in a series.

With that in mind, I’d rather just invest more in Paschall/Gay (idc who you want to call the 5) during the RS. They might be just as bad….I’ve said multiple times that going small doesn’t really help us unless other things improve…but at the very least it engages the other players into playing more defense because they have to. We need as many defensive reps as possible where we are not relying on Gobert or another traditional big to do everything.

I would at least like to see a regular rotation between different options once Gay is back. I’m high on Paschall right now and don’t want to send him into the doghouse.

I think we end up only playing one of these 3 when the rotation gets tight deep into the playoffs. I’m relatively high on Paschall and less optimistic about Gay, so I could see Paschall emerge ahead of Gay by the end of the year and be that guy.

If the defense can survive while small the big benefit comes on the offensive side where the other team is spread out. I think Gay is the STRONG favorite because of shooting, rebounding, size, and status as a player. Paschall may be better than Whiteside and may take up the mantle as the roll guy in the offense... so he'd be the offensive center with Gay functioning more as the defensive center.

I think we will try it for sure. It isn't a replacement for what we do with Rudy in the playoffs but it might boost us for 10 minutes or so a night in the playoffs.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think we just have solid option off the bench we haven't had. Whiteside is just fine if you want to go big... I don't get the hand wringing on him. Paschall and Gay are great options if you want to go small. Udoka is a large human... and there are generally guys on the waiver wire if we get in a big bind.

 

[LogGrad98]

No ****. Great point. There is only one reason for anyone with poor eyesight not to get lasik. Cause you can't afford it. I'm pretty sure Donovan can afford it.
This makes me think Donovan might be kind of a dumbass

I'm not a candidate for lasik because of issues with my cornea and fluctuating prescriptions over the years. So there.

Actually though, I'm looking into ICL as an option. But it can be pretty spendy.

 

[KqWIN]

If the defense can survive while small the big benefit comes on the offensive side where the other team is spread out. I think Gay is the STRONG favorite because of shooting, rebounding, size, and status as a player. Paschall may be better than Whiteside and may take up the mantle as the roll guy in the offense... so he'd be the offensive center with Gay functioning more as the defensive center.

I think we will try it for sure. It isn't a replacement for what we do with Rudy in the playoffs but it might boost us for 10 minutes or so a night in the playoffs.

I guess it is pretty hard for me seeing Paschall be a better 4 next to Gobert than Gay....I'm just a little skeptical of Gay coming into this season. He's 35 and will have to undergo a major transformation in his role, so I'll wait and see how that plays out.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I guess it is pretty hard for me seeing Paschall be a better 4 next to Gobert than Gay....I'm just a little skeptical of Gay coming into this season. He's 35 and will have to undergo a major transformation in his role, so I'll wait and see how that plays out.

I don't see it as a major transformation at all. He has already transformed his game. I think Paschall has a bigger transformation ahead and he's still very much developing as a player. I'm really confident Gay will be good for us once he is physically ready.

 

[KqWIN]

I don't see it as a major transformation at all. He has already transformed his game. I think Paschall has a bigger transformation ahead and he's still very much developing as a player. I'm really confident Gay will be good for us once he is physically ready.

He may not be playing the same way he did in his prime, but he's replacing a guy who still had 10% less usage than him. He was the second highest usage player on the Spurs last season and is used to being one of the main options on the court as he has been his entire career. Even if his role isn't quite the same as Niang, it will still be a big adjustment. He's going from a team that depended on him to create shots to a team where it's probably detrimental to do the same thing. Hopefully shooting keeps up and the new role suits him better and the better teammates allow him to create efficiently when he does....but it's an adjustment nonetheless.