Offer Middleton the Max and then Trade Burks, 12th pick and GSW '17 pick for top 6 pick.

[Sexual Favors]

Everything is rosy now, but things change, players can regress rather than improve. Hayward and Favors are *probably* max players in 3 years, but not locks.
If the Jazz truly hand drafts a roster that takes them over 100 million with no outside contaminants, then....wow.
DL has continuously hinted at going after a "big fish" this off season. Whether it be by trade or FA we don't know. Gobert and Hood may have tempered this, we'll see.

DL has also said, most recently on locker cleanout day, that the best course forward is likely staying pat and internal growth. Has also been saying for past couple of months that our biggest addition will be Alec. 1280 the zone has all of these interviews I'm referencing.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

DL has also said, most recently on locker cleanout day, that the best course forward is likely staying pat and internal growth. Has also been saying for past couple of months that our biggest addition will be Alec. 1280 the zone has all of these interviews I'm referencing.

Of course he said that. The smartest PR move is to say things that boost up the players currently on your roster. You want them to feel appreciated.

 

[green]

Another thought I had: is Middleton 14 times better than Hood? Is he two times better than Hood? Then why would we want him?

 

[Jazz4ever]

Another thought I had: is Middleton 14 times better than Hood? Is he two times better than Hood? Then why would we want him?

Actually, he is pretty close if you want to quantify it by WARP (wins over replacement player). Middleton is at 13.20, Hood is at 1.22

 

[Deleted member 365]

The main problem with missing the playoffs is now we have to sift through endless amounts of stupid trade proposals. Sigh gonna be a long off season.

 

[audacious3ball]

I think people are forgetting how good a healthy Burks can be. He can get to the rim very well and draw fouls. Plus he is a pretty good at the catch and shoot from 3. Why should we get rid of him for a rookie unless its top 3 or 4 in this draft. He has already shown he belongs in this league and the Jazz will really benefit from his play next year I think.

 

[franklin]

I think people are forgetting how good a healthy Burks can be. He can get to the rim very well and draw fouls. Plus he is a pretty good at the catch and shoot from 3. Why should we get rid of him for a rookie unless its top 3 or 4 in this draft. He has already shown he belongs in this league and the Jazz will really benefit from his play next year I think.

I think at this point it's a discussion about whether Burks or Hood makes their teammates better vs. needing a deadly scorer on the perimeter. We still don't know what we have in Burks, let alone Hood. It's wait and see.

 

[franklin]

Yes, they can. OK, so exile Burke to water boy, Don't mention him in trades.
Who plays PG behind Exum? That's my whole point. The #1 priority, IMO is to upgrade the point. Our PG's shot 35%/31% and 37%/32%. Obviously, we're hoping Exum improves a lot. And he mitigates his poor shooting by playing good defense and not taking a lot of shots. Trey is just the opposite. He's a poor-percentage, high-volume chucker.

Do you advocate continuing to give Trey 30 mins/per? Does that help the team?

So let's say zero prioirty to trading Trey, but a HUGE prioirity in finding a better solution as a "backup" PG. Wouldn't really care if Trey was getting 5-10 mins/per, but in reality, Trey was playing as much as Dante. I don't see Cotton as a great PG who comes in and averages 24 mins/per. And Exum? Will he make a substantial leap next season? Will he play 30-35 mins? Jazz are held back by their PG's right now.

There's a downside to waiting 1 more season on Exum? It's not like quality point guards are in high demand these days.

 

[BabyPeterzz]

At this point any major salary additions will have to be big. Like super star big. Which would most likely result in a trade which would involve some of our assets. Considering what we know about some of these guys and their potential, it's going to have to be a major addition for the Jazz to move IMO. The case for staying pat is very strong.

 

[framer]

The thing I find amusing is that some people think that they have stumbled upon some great secret about the salary cap rising. If average Joe Messageboad knows this, so do team executives. Its not like the front office of Milwaukee is going to be taken by surprise after they fail to match Middleton. "You mean if we had matched Middleton last year his salary would have been a DEAL under the new cap?!! Why didn't anyone tell us this? Jim, did you know about the new salary cap thing?" Milwaukee has a lot more pieces to gather than the Jazz do. Why in the world would they not match the highest offer and walk away laughing? Obviously if we think he is worth a lot of money, his current team does as well. The Bucks don't have a plan B for Middleton. They are going to match. The Blazers have a plan B for Matthews, and the Hawks HAD a plan B for Carroll until Sefalosha broke his leg resisting arrest and being an idiot. Suddenly it looks a lot like Carroll will be a priority for the Hawks. Or maybe the Hawks haven't heard about the new salary cap. . .

 

[green]

Utah was hoping to sign Hayward for less than the max.

Milwaukee knows with the cap rising, that Middleton will get the max.

What will happen:

12:01 ET, Milwaukee calls Middleton's agent and says, here is the most we can offer. His agent will say, "OK."

Maybe, MAYBE, they try to negotiate for a PO after two years. Maybe they push for another year. BUT, they most likely won't talk to any other teams.

There's even less of a chance Leonard and Butler make it that far.

What's most likely is that all three players are on vacation, the calls are made at 12:01 ET, and the agent calls the player at 2 pm the next day to set up a time to sign the deal when the player returns from vacation.

 

[silesian]

I wish more posters here would make an effort to understand what's happening with the cap over the next few years. Zero chance of adding a player like Middleton, Butler or Leonard. Their current teams will not so much as blink at matching any offer, considering what those kinds of players will cost after next year. Having said that, if we did have any chance whatsoever at adding that kind of talent, there's no question we should do it before the cap jumps. Forget the potential logjam concerns. Utah needs to be very aggressive this offseason, because the landscape is about to change dramatically. Now is not the time to stand pat, because player values are about to jump significantly. I expect this offseason to be more exciting than a lot of fans might think.

I think you are misreading the dynamic this summer by assuming that the landscape will change AFTER the salary cap goes up. The landscape will change BEFORE the salary cap goes up. You seem to be saying that teams have an advantage to sign players before the salary cap goes up. You seem to be assuming that the players and their agents are not thinking ahead and running scenarios and game theory on maximizing their long-term value.

The cap moves from 67m to 89M, so a 25% minimax goes from ~$17m to ~$22m. So the only reason for the Kawhi's of the world to sign a 5 year minimax is to protect against injury. If he signs a 1 year deal worth 17M (or if he does not get this, signs the Q0) and then gets the $22m the following year. The same thinking applies to non-max players. The players have the leverage to hold out for better longer-term deals. Front offices do not have leverage this year, the power shifted to players as soon as the new cap was announced.

Markets move on information about the future. They do not wait for the future to happen to adjust.