b_line
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I think Players who are young and established are worth more than that. I really have no idea though, so I would not be surprised at anything happening.
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I think Players who are young and established are worth more than that. I really have no idea though, so I would not be surprised at anything happening.
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We wouldn't get crowder in a deal. Maybe Avery Bradley because they have some duplication there. The goal for them would obviously be to cash in future assets for win now stuff. They would be more likely to give up more firsts not more win now guys.
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True. I don't think the Jazz are trading Hayward though, and I kind of get the feeling that celtics wont trade this first round pick this year. I think they start trading future assets though.
Did Durant help his team win his rookie year? It might work out long term because of potential but trading your top player for a young rookie never improves your team. Very very rarely does a rookie especially a 18-19 year old help you win more games. If Jazz trade Hayward they are resetting the rebuild and pushing the timeline out a year or two more minimum. The Jazz organization cannot stay in the lottery for a couple more years, they need to win next season. I would be shocked if they traded Hayward for picks. Only way he gets traded is for a vet with a better contract, but even that is unlikely unless Hayward tells them he is leaving in FA. If he hasnt told them that he is likely to stay. He likes stability and he wants to get paid, which Utah can pay him the most. He also wants to win but I think making the playoffs next year seems very very likely.
Also people would be a lot more high in Hayward on this board if we had stayed healthy this season. We would probably be where Portland is and probably beat the Clips. Hayward with a healthy team can lead a team to the 5th seed in the west. Hayward like Derozan and Butler needs help.
I sooo agree with this. It really seems like there are so many fans that want to chase that new tail all the time and get bored with the *** they've got locked up.
I want to watch a winning team sometime before 2020. Couple years ago we were all talking about this teams amazing potential. Even this year we were excusing losses because of our team's youth, and yet here we are talking about trading the "old" for the potential of the young.
I'm a fan of the Utah Jazz playing and winning basketball games. It seems like there are a lot of NBA fans whose interest is much more in drafting and trades. Like that's the actual sport for them. I don't really get it.
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I'm not disagreeing with you here, but ****ing up and not making the playoffs this year has put the whole rebuild into some jeopardy. What happens if injuries strike again next year? What happens if we go out in the first round like a lamb? Hayward will walk, broseph. Walk. How's your rebuild look then?
How would this board view Hayward if we were a 5th seed this year and win the series against the Clips?
That scenario is more than likely if we have an average injury year. Or even if we have an average record in close games that are statistically luck who wins.
Is the best player on a team that is a 5th seed and the youngest team in the West worth a max contract in this market? Would Portland be looking to trade Lillard if he was going to be a FA after next season?
Hayward is 1 year older than Lillard he shot a better percentage and did score 5 less points but took 5 less shots a game. Hayward is a far superior defender to Lillard. Haywards team is much younger and has many less vets. Hayward was asked to do more for his team. Hayward played more minutes than Lillard for the season and on a per game basis. Hayward ran more miles in the season on the court. Haywards hobbled team that he lead only came up 4 games short of what Lillards did. Hayward is on the same level as Lillard. If you replace Hayward for Paul George, Lillard, Butler, Derozan, Dwayne Wade or Klay Thompson. Those teams probably win the same number of games.
Hayward is not even in my top 3 current favorite Jazz players but the hate on this board is unreal. Then he will have a good game and this board thinks he is MJ. We are so Bi-polar. Hayward is a top 20-25 player right now. Every team will have 1 or 2 max players. Yes it would be nice if our max player was a top 5-10 but we are not getting a player in that tier.
That scenario is more than likely if we have an average injury year. Or even if we have an average record in close games that are statistically luck who wins.
Is the best player on a team that is a 5th seed and the youngest team in the West worth a max contract in this market? Would Portland be looking to trade Lillard if he was going to be a FA after next season?
Hayward is 1 year older than Lillard he shot a better percentage and did score 5 less points but took 5 less shots a game. Hayward is a far superior defender to Lillard. Haywards team is much younger and has many less vets. Hayward was asked to do more for his team. Hayward played more minutes than Lillard for the season and on a per game basis. Hayward ran more miles in the season on the court. Haywards hobbled team that he lead only came up 4 games short of what Lillards did. Hayward is on the same level as Lillard. If you replace Hayward for Paul George, Lillard, Butler, Derozan, Dwayne Wade or Klay Thompson. Those teams probably win the same number of games.
Hayward is not even in my top 3 current favorite Jazz players but the hate on this board is unreal. Then he will have a good game and this board thinks he is MJ. We are so Bi-polar. Hayward is a top 20-25 player right now. Every team will have 1 or 2 max players. Yes it would be nice if our max player was a top 5-10 but we are not getting a player in that tier.
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Please sell all of those hypotheticals to Gordon when we are in contract negotiations.
If we miss the playoffs next year this rebuild is in serious jepeordy. Then you trade players for picks and have a rough few years again. Or you do that this year and you are 1 year ahead on a new rebuild. That seems like a big risk to flush it down and rebuild again to get ahead 1 year. If injuries hit as bad next year, which is very unlikely, we are going to be a lot better off next year since hopefully the FO gets a little better depth since their goal is to win and make the playoffs next year, which it was not this year. By far the worst thing that happened to the Jazz last year was losing Exum for the season. Not because of the games he might have helped us win but because we were not allowed to see what level of player he is.
You can talk all you want about injuries, and I'll meet you with that the Jazz just played in the weakest Western Conference in, what, 15 years? 20? The Jazz even without Exum (who isn't and wasn't even that good) were right there. They underperformed. Period. No one in this organization should feel safe. And I like a lot of what the Jazz are doing. But this notion that we just have to keep waiting can be just as poisonous as constantly ****ing with the chemistry.
Again, my point is the Jazz losing Hayward for nothing would be a massive, massive blow, and the Jazz don't have the track-record to feel comfortable that the team will be good enough to make real noise all of a sudden. I'm also not suggesting trading Hayward just to get anything, but if you can get a top-5 pick for him? Yeah, I don't know, I'd do that.
Handlogten's Heroes made the best point to date about keeping Hayward; he's miserly as ****. My counter-argument though is he knows he only has so many more years to start making his career matter and win, and he simply hasn't been doing that here. He could also recoup some of the shortfall with endorsements for real companies.
Again, my point is the Jazz losing Hayward for nothing would be a massive, massive blow, and the Jazz don't have the track-record to feel comfortable that the team will be good enough to make real noise all of a sudden. I'm also not suggesting trading Hayward just to get anything, but if you can get a top-5 pick for him? Yeah, I don't know, I'd do that.
Handlogten's Heroes made the best point to date about keeping Hayward; he's miserly as ****. My counter-argument though is he knows he only has so many more years to start making his career matter and win, and he simply hasn't been doing that here. He could also recoup some of the shortfall with endorsements for real companies.
1 hypothetical of less injuries. But there isnt going to be much negotiation. Hayward (assuming he stays relatively healthy) is getting the Max next year.
It's not my rebuild. I'm just about the simplest fan you're gonna meet. I want to watch basketball games and I want "my" team to win those games. I haven't got the slightest idea who Simmons is other than I hear his name here. If I wasn't on Jazzfanz I'd probably be like "what's FO mean?" So take my perspective for what little it's worth. I don't want to wait another 4 years for this team to be good. I don't care if they trade Hayward, he's like my sixth favorite player on the team. I just want something in return that means we are better next year, not several years from now.